this is very true. maybe it's because i call 60 every time you open to try to bust you and fold every time you shove any flop. lol

you're guess... it's prob correct. imo.

Thx alot Gl every1

Any ideas what 1st place will take home in the case of no deal at final table?

Not for sure, but I assume it will be around 25% of the prize pool (=$3,750), like normal. Or we can just chop at the beginning for $75 each.

Florida poker in a nutshell...

The only chopping must be at the final table only. There will be no TD assistance if it chops at any other time, making it nearly impossible.

busy today Ron? heading over in a bit. yesterday they only had 4 25s going all day.

I never get there until about 1pm.
I think the snowbirds are heading back a little early with the early warm weather.

Personally, I get more annoyed with the whole putting $200 on the table, and then wandering the room for 30 minutes looking for the next table. Then getting up $75, holding the seat, and wandering around the room again to look for the next table.

Very nice guy, but people mover is dead on.

March boycott continues.

You honestly believe that recreational players will stop playing poker because someone won somes and then left?

Also, in a live Casino, there maybe, maybe, MAYBE, one ratholer at the table. So figure out the odds of the one ratholer immediatly sitting down, doubling thru the fish and leaving. Then calculate the odds of that rec player getting psychologically upset to the point where he determines to never play poker again. Odds are nil.

The only people ratholers upset in live poker are you guys who sit at a table for 4 hours trying to win the fishies chips and then someone sits down and 5 min later buts the fish and leaves. Then you have to all remove the sand from your entitled vaginas

you really don't get it. i guess you probably think it's okay to berate fish and tell them what they did wrong too. it's not like berating one bad player will make any difference or make them stop playing poker, right?

No actually sir, there is a person here not getting it and it's not me.

Number of actual ratholers + odds of them sitting at a specific table + odds of them stacking a fish right away and leaving (millions) + odds of that particular fish getting mentally upset to the point where he decides the pain of poker is greater than the pleasure he derives from it and outright quits. Now... this situation needs to happen at such a high frequency where it might actually ruin the profitability of poker. Impossible. Ratholing means nothing in live poker. It just annoys the regulars who have been losing all day. I.E. All of you.

Now, on to the issue you pulled directly from your rectum to deflect the above aregument that you lost and can't admit because that would mean admitting your intial thoughts on ratholing were wrong. Pride comes before a fall.

Berating other players is VERY bad for the game. So your assumption about my feeelings on that all together different subject couldnt be more wrong.

I have to disagree with you WickedAngry. In a vacuum, it probably won't chase a fish away. However, the poker room is not a vacuum. Players (fish) get upset and leave for a variety of reasons. This one reason may be the trigger point. By itself, you are correct, it probably won't make a losing player decide to leave for that specific reason. However, what it might do is contribute to a long list of motivations to leave/not come back as frequently.

Obviously players want to make money at the table. Not all players can. Losing players come back because they enjoy gambling/the atmosphere/table talk, etc. I'm not saying that you have to be nice to every fish, but attempt to limit the motivations to leave/not come back.

You are also correct that ratholing is less of a problem live than online, where you could be at many, many tables. However, it is still a problem live. It creates a "dead seat" which means that less money can be made from a given table. It's a small edge, but small edges add up to a profit at the end of the day.

Where u been man?

Hey Ron, thanks for all you do in this thread. Are you the gentleman that wears the nike rays hat and the black poker room zip up?

Hollywood.

This is not at all accurate. $75 is barely even up. And I don't do that first part at all. I can understand where you guys get some of this impression, but this is some serious exaggeration.

Yep, did we play together recently?

first person to declare they "won the argument" wins. never-before-seen expert tactics here. chill out dude, i'm not competing with you

this may have gone over your head. yes, i assumed you think berating other players is bad for the game. i was being facetious to point out the hypocrisy of those who say it doesn't matter, using the same argument you're using about ratholing. you're suggesting it's cool for a very small fraction of people to do something against the spirit of the game because it probably will have almost no measurable effect. as soon as more and more people start following this same philosophy, guess what happens? it ends up having an effect. you can say it doesn't, but it doesn't make you right. i can't prove my side either, but it seems fundamentally obvious to me that gradual changes occur, in poker games or a billion other things, and they are the combination of many small factors building on one another that people thought wouldn't matter.

mrK31canada's post align with my thoughts pretty well. and if you still disagree, as you will, then great, that's fine. neither of us can prove the effect or lack thereof anyway but at least understand what you're disagreeing with

The Freeroll tournament structure is pretty diabolical. As listed it gets a 5.36 patience factor which is about the same as standard $60 donkaments in vegas. But that is if the blinds increased at the same rate throughout.

The ante structure throughout is very low but there is a major jump in blinds from level 9 at 500/1000/100 to level 10 1500/3000/100.

Taking a wild guess at 4 hours to the final table and it could be quicker and could be longer, its still 200 people and since everyone will sit around waiting for hands then it might be longer. If it took 4 hours then average stack would be 140k(assuming all do the $10 add on for 75% increase in chips) the blinds would be 10k/20k/1k. 7bb average if it takes 30 min. longer then 3.5bb average. So final table chop will likely happen as you need 3rd place to get the same money as chop.

25/50
50/100
75/150
100/200
150/300/25
200/400/25
300/600/50
400/800/50
500/1000/100
1500/3000/100
2000/4000/200
2500/5000/300
3000/6000/400
4000/8000/500
5k/10k/600
7500/15k/800
10k/20k/1k
15k/30k/2k
20k/40k/3k
25k/50k/4k
50k/100k/5k

No, i was playing 1/2 recently while waiting for 2/5 and you walked by and someone made a comment "that guy must live here, hes here 24/7, etc" and someone else agreed with him. Made me lol a little bit.

Oh and I forgot, You can re-enter once during the 1st hour for $20+$10 dealer addon again if you wish. So thats more than 200 so the average stack at final table hopefully will be at least 1bb. lol

It's not against the spirit of the game. It's just not the game that you want to be playing.

How long will the blind levels be?

15 min.