I find myself playing good against the LAG players and of course the drunk donks feeding the table. I am also decent against TAG players. My problem is players who seem to play tight and slow play every hand while also being a calling machine.

IE: heads up after the flop, villain smooth calls turn, smooth calls river with 2 pair/better kicker/etc.... I can generally recognize these players however definitely have a leak by continually playing/bluffing these players... It's horrible

also, I may be a total degen and go up around 2AM tonight... if anyone is down

Hey Ron, you remember what the payouts were like the last time they had the ticket promo? Might play it instead of selling my tickets if 1st is around 8-9K.

Well last time you could not transfer it. So everyone played and the fields were 125-150 players each week. Don't think the fields will be too big this time because some will sell them.

Also, picked up my ticket today and he said most people were taking the Ipod so far.

is the september event for clocking in 28 hours a weekly promo? or can you rack up 28 hours from the 4 - 30th?

Each week is independent. Sunday thru Friday. 28 hours per week.

Any PLO game running today at the HR. Was playing PLO there yesterday till 6am and wanted to play again.

Any confirmation on the model of ipod being given? And whether it is a gift card to apple store, or actual ipod?

I saw the ipods and asked if it was generation 4 and couldnt get an answer. One of the guys that got one looked and couldnt tell but it was ipod touch 32gb.

It's easy to tell. If it has cameras then it's 4th generation. If it doesn't then it's a 3rd gen. 5th gen isn't out yet.

Well they were packaged funny, Not like a standard box with pictures from Apple.
Kind of like an Ipod with cardboard around it and taped up. lol
They are brand new but just not standard packaging.

The one I got was a 32gb 4th gen. They are going for 270ish on ebay.

$270 minus ebay listing fee, final value fees and paypal fees, about 15% total then free shipping for $10.
And you are right back to $220 which is what I hope to sell my ticket for.

You recognize the problem, now how to go about it. Since you can generally recognize that type of player, my thought would be to value-bet the crap out of those players. The hard part is, what sort of hands should we value bet?

If their calling range is Top Pair Good Kicker, or two pair, then our value-bet range has to be higher than it. What makes it difficult is what if you have Top Pair K or A Kicker, or weak two pair? Should you bet or check? It's tough, cuz you'll be wrong at times, and miss a bet. Or you'll check out of position and call their bet (if they do) and be beat, so you lose that bet.

Hmm...I guess if you do have TPTK or weak 2-pair, just bet a small amount, when you have a stronger hand bet the largest amount they might call. If I were in this situation I would bet flop, if they call, I may check turn (assuming heads up pot and you're pretty sure they're not simply drawing), and fire small bet on river. When I see their hand should they call I'll know next time how to bet. If they don't recognize your bet sizing, then you may even bluff (or bet your weak top pairs) small and value-bet against them bigger (when you're pretty certain you have them beat), if they do recognize bet sizing, then I suppose we'll have to control our losses/limit our wins by a few checks on the turn and possibly river.

These players are tough to play against, cuz they A) need a good hand B) you need a better hand to value-bet them and against a single opponent that may not happen often/at all during your session. Great thing is there are 7-9 other players you could play against!

From the other perspective: If I were this type of player I know I am tight/passive against you, meaning you are more aggressive/loose than me (even if in your mind you're playing TAG, it's relative). I would possibly check/call or call (in position) against you on every street simply to see your hand. Next time I would "know" OK this guy is betting his top pair weak kickers like this. I'll just keep calling. Next time I'd try the same thing, oops, this time, you bet bigger and I didn't recognize it, and you have top two / set whatever that beats my TPTK. Or I get frustrated cuz you didn't bet your top pair hand, and I checked myself to death and got no value cuz you didn't bet your hand when I did have you beat. This means you've adjusted!

I know my "analysis" isn't ground-breaking, and quite possibly flat-out wrong and other people here can find holes in it but it's definitely making me think...which is awesome!

you have very high hopes sir, I know a reg there that is buying a sh*t ton of them up for no more then i think $180.

Had one of everyones favorite dealer dealing at my table. He is in my top 5 worst dealer list. Here is a few of the things he did in 30 min:

He burned and turned before flop action was complete and instead of calling the supervisor like he is supposed to he takes care of it himself. Tells everyone that the card will be shuffled into the deck after action is complete. Then when guy who never acted ends up folding and there is still a multiway pot, the dealer says this card plays now. LOL

A few hands later, 2 guys go to show their cards at showdown and one of them tries to flip them up and one card is up and one is down in middle of the table and dealer just flips up the other card.

A few hands later and this is my favorite, its a 3 way chop with 5 card straight on board and dealer divides up the small pot and there is $1 left over which goes to the 1st position after the button. But instead of adding the $1 to the proper players pot that he pushed or even throwing it to him seperately, He passes out the 3 equal pots and says there is $1 left over and what should he do with it, implying of course they he will be taking it. Which is directly stealing from the player that had it coming to him.

I don't know where these dealers went to dealer school but it wasn't much of one thats for sure.

My auction just ended for $300 inc shipping..fees should end up being less than $30...fyi for next week! I'm aware that this is more expensive than you can buy them on amazon...but not for canadian buyers!

Wow thats cool. How much does it cost to ship to canada?

Let you know when i send it out but pretty sure for a small package like that <15.

I had a hand from the summer of 2010 here at Tampa Hard Rock that pissed me off so much. I flopped the nuts heads up I check opponent bets I think for 10 seconds then unexplicably dealer takes the flop puts it back into the deck and the other player is stunned, as am I. I said "stop!" in the middle of her cleaning out the flop and dropping the deck but it happened to quickly she goes "oh...I didn't see you had cards" (we were heads up mind you AND my cards were not hidden). The whole table agreed to what the flop was and the exact suits but it didn't matter as the deck was dropped. Opponent scoops the pot of $80 and says: "doesn't matter anyway I had you" shows AJ on AJ3 flop. "I would have gone all-in with you so stop complaining I would have taken your chips".

In returning my cards to the dealer I flip up my AA and say, "sure did". It was $1-3 (which I harp on about not playing due to it being tougher than 2/5). Effective stacks preflop were $350 each as I was the shorter stack.

I haven't forgotten that hand and vowed never to tip again until I made back that loss. I stiffed the dealers about $100 in pots where I would have tipped (regardless of whether they were good or not). I had $250 to make up but just stopped as every dealer in the room was pissed at me and every player berated me (was tough to deal with but what did I care...it cost me money that doesn't come as easily as a 99.99/.01 favorite).

I couldn't believe the brainfart (I didn't hide my cards, or say anything at all, not even a whisper, indicating a fold). The dealer just wasn't thinking. Brainfart but man, your story reminded me of those days in which I held a grudge. Now, not so much, I've lightened up quite a bit...but ah dealer mistakes. Cost of playing the game!!

Haha.

By the way, how much do you guys tip in pot nowadays if at all? I generally go 1% in profits of >$100 (not pot-size but profit) At times will tip in 60-80 profits. I am sure people may batter and bruise each other over this but I want to know what the current state is in tips. I'm sure tips have gone down in terms of dealing with online players as they aren't used to tipping. On one hand it's "cheap" not to and may piss off other players (although in my view it shouldn't) on the other hand when you have no other source of income other than this hobby (like me, for example, at this moment in time) and the rake is already high! Lol. Let the grilling begin!!

I can see a bad dealer dropping the deck prematurely (I've had that happen there myself), but how did it go from that to the other player getting pushed the pot? Didn't you call the floor? You still had your cards, so on what basis did they push the pot to the other guy? Are you leaving out some key details, or did you just allow them to give the other guy the pot?

For those trying to buy/sell tickets, this isn't the Marketplace.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/15.../#post28695715

Its not outlandish that people would talk about buying tickets in this thread since there's probably only a few people on this whole site who have them to sell and they are in here. Here is my link in the MP looking to buy wed Hard rock tourney tickets at $180 - looking for a couple. Thanks.

$1 on pots up to $100, $2 on pots larger than $100.

Exceptions to the rule are $1 no matter the pot size for a bad dealer, $2 no matter the pot size for good dealers.

Anything more than that is absurd, mainly because I know a lot of dealers and they are very well paid.

Just arrived to Tampa today from New York will be a 7 day regular playing 1/3, 2/5 dont have data phone but if you wanna meet up PM me for info, what are your thoughts on a safe deposit box/ does anyone have one?