I remember your complaints about how jackpot drops do not benefit weekend warrior, but how do you see the room closing as encouraging?

It's very sad. But the room didn't die because of poker. Poker is doing well right now. The room died because there was no culture of customer service promoted by the management to the staff. Rec players don't want to deal with rude dealers and long waitlists with no call-ins allowed. (Red Dragon also has the long waitlist problem but their dealers aren't rude.)

I hope the few really good dealers Tulalip had, who were fast and had positive attitudes, such as CD and Jordan, get hired by Red Dragon, or promoted to management at Tulalip. They really don't deserve to lose their jobs. Also Herb the floorman was always nice. Really sad for those guys.

This whole topic makes me wonder if I should start saying something to the floor when I see a dealer being rude because they probably don't even realize how bad some of their employees are.

Also I noticed everywhere else in the area the dealers follow Mason's rule "don't talk in the box" but at Tulalip some of the dealers talk nonstop and seem to think they are on stage and that's their time to say all manner of garbage, insults, and offensive remarks. Whoever was in charge of training dealers and encouraging good practices failed miserably.

Tulalip ran as if there weren't other options to play poker.

It worked because it was indeed the only option in the north end for NL/SL poker.

However, I think we should also acknowledge that even if Tulalip has top notch dealers and friendliest staff, it is still very far from population center.

Once there are options, it was inevitable that players will go elsewhere much closer.

It's right on I-5 next to the tourist outlet mall, and many people from Bellingham and Canada would come down. The casino location should have been able to sustain a poker room. Plus it had parking, airport shuttle, hotel, etc., so many amenities the other rooms didn't have.

Maybe part of the reason for the downfall was moving the poker room to the back dark corner of the casino and having no signage so people coming in didn't see any mention of poker. But I think the way people are treated is important and it made a difference.

I-5 north traffic from Seattle is a nightmare, let alone other Eastside cities.

Agreed, traffic made going to Tulalip a nonstarter for most anyone in Seattle or east side.

I played omaha there on Sunday. There were at most a couple people under the age of 60 playing.

Even with the $750 hhs on Wednesday, its not worth the 100 minute round trip.

I can agree that the dealers there are chattier, but on Sunday at least one old timer would ask the dealers what their upcoming plans are each down. Turns out a dealer with 10+ years of tenure costs them $800/month in insurance.

Granted, Tulalip prints money, and they talk a big game about supporting the community. Wonder what kind of cut tribe members get.

I was angry to hear about the room closing and I'm sorry I shouldn't have posted all that. It's not the dealers' fault and I wish them all the best.

There is a home games section on this forum if anyone wants to start some.

Although I wholeheartedly agree that dealers and floors matter, I don’t think average poker players care as long as they don’t feel disrespected.

Tulalip had couple floors and dealers that did things in a way with so little regards to players that it’s mindblowing to think that they are not actually happy about the place closing down.

I had no issues with most of the dealers, many already mentioned. Na was another superb dealer. My issue with the Tulalip was the insane rake on tournaments and how they dealt with promotions with weekend players. Weekend players paid the full drop for promos but were often excluded from this prize money.

My bigger beef is the with the State. As I understand it the crazy law that on-line poker is illegal and the lower betting structures and number of tables for non-tribal poker rooms is due to Tribe lobbying. The Tribes wanted a monopoly on higher-stakes poker. They wanted larger rooms. Now that most Tribes have de-committed from poker, its time to open up the poker laws. Let all poker rooms run their business as they see fit but with regulation to prevent fraud.

Competition is good.

Your nickname is Dash.

Tulalips bigger tourneys weren't raked to death. Typically 15-18% with dealer add on. However Red-Dragon's bigger tourney just raised their rake to 20% (200+40). If you are talking about the 30 dollar tourneys then those should be raked to death as they make no financial sense for the players or the casinos.

Encouraging in that relatively new and better options exist, like Fortune and Red Dragon. Not too long ago,such options did not exist.

The old Thursday night tournament was the only regular tournament in your rake range. The others were much higher, >25%. The Thursday tournament in the old large poker room was tops.

What kinds of limit games are consistently going these days?

I hear things about fortune, about red dragon

Fortune has $4/$8, $8/$16 and $20/$40 HE running basically around the clock, and often has a $4/$8 O/8 or two running as well.

Muck has $3/$6, $4/$8 HE, and I think I saw a $10/$20 Omaha game of some kind when I was there Wednesday night.

I will let others elaborate about Red Dragon, since I haven't had the pleasure yet.

Reddragonwaitlist.com
Fortunepokerroom.com

Can't wait for the current Fortune omaha promo to end. Two days in a row with no o8 game. Even better, cancel it now and go back to the MWF noon to 8pm deal

Only 12 he games at Fortune on a Friday night! Wonder where everybody is.

Fortune pulled some dirty moves w this whole Omaha thing. They went out of there way to promote this whole daily Omaha high hands but just this week they reduced it from every 30 min to every hour without saying a word about it. Now the irony is the games break at 6(which is when the HH’s end for the day), but that’s really when the games should start considering how much better the Monte Carlo board is than the high hands smh.

In other news the action at Red Dragon continues to be insane. Tonight They had 4 PLO tables and two 20-40 mix games w a list. Never thought I’d see the day.

I guess will try to make Tulalip today and play Omaha 8 my last time there.


Swinomish, Angel of Winds, Tulalip gone

I know the max rake is $4+$3 at Muckleshoot right now. What is the max rake at Fortune? Played a little over 80 hours of the 1/3 this month at Muckleshoot and I'm trying to decide where to play next month.

I'm not sure whether the guaranteed hourly rate + mediocre high hand bonus is better or worse than the much better high hand bonus. The action at the Muckleshoot 1/3 games seems ok, but not great much of the time.

I've read through the last 20 or so pages of this thread but didn't find much clarity. Thanks for you input!

It’s the same at Fortue. How often do you see bets > $300 in the Muck 1/3 game?

Never. Fortune can only legally allow $300 bets, unlike the $500 bets at reservations such as Muckleshoot.

The game is generally pretty decent imo.

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I think the question was, how often does that higher limit come into play. How often do you see a $425 bet, for example?

I played 1/3 at Muck for a few hours and saw it come into play once or twice when a small stack was all in and a bigger stack wanted to reshove but could only raise $300. I played a long session at the 5/5 Big O game at Muck and the $500 cap came in pretty frequently.

Might be visiting Seattle some time soon and it's a poker community I know little about. Would greatly appreciate a simple breakdown of the PLO, Big O/PLO8, and O8 options available to the public, i.e. stakes, rooms, and days of the week as well as any way to track this info (i.e. any of the rooms on bravo or poker atlas?). Only interested in 10-20+ O8, big bet games any stake. Thanks for any assistance.