FWIW there is a regular 2-6 Stud8 game every Tuesday at 9AM here in the Northwest. All you have to do is drive to Spirit Mountain Casino in Grand Ronde Oregon.

a stud8 game that starts on tuesday mornings in middleofnowhere, OR? now that that sounds like an action table!

How often do the 5/10 and the 3/5 ($500 max) buy-in games run at Snoqualmie?

Is it every night or very infrequently?

Does the 2/5 ($300 max) game get very deep?

bump ^^^

5/10 goes every Monday at Snoqualmie.

5/10 runs every Monday and usually rolls over into Tuesday, then that game turns into the PLO game. Have at least 2 tables of 5/10 now, since most are on their way back from the series. 3/5 runs mostly Friday and Saturday, but sometimes the first game of the day becomes a 3/5 game depending on who starts it. 2/5 doesn't get very deep imo (100bb's avg.) Mostly it's 2 or 3 people with 600-1k and the rest with 200-400. I'd say only 40-50% of the people buy in for the 300 max. I've been trying to get a 500 max game going everyday but management seems against it for some reason.

I'm at the Muck now. It's my Saturday night. Hit me up for a mixed game or small PLO game. You might as well get my money before the pit does.

I am considering a trip with my girl up to Snoqualmie area next week (mid-week). We will be hiking and sightseeing/photo-hunting during the day and poker for me in evenings. I have been looking at hotels in the North Bend/Sno area and am very underwhelmed by the choices. Has anyone had a good stay in the area?

Also, thinking about something like the nicer chain hotels in Issaquah. Is this ridiculous? How far from the Casino would the East end of Issaquah be? How much further past Snoqualmie to the trail heads at Denny Creek. Thanks in advance for any comments/advice.

Try http://www.salishlodge.com/

It's in Snoqualmie. Probably nicest in area. East side of Issaquah only ten minutes from Snoqualmie.

Had to be over 20k on the 20-40 limit game at Diamond lil's today. One guy had about 6k.

I mean, there's some good players in it, for sure, but there is still plenty of action in the game. PLENTY of action. I haven't played it recently, and don't really rail it, but from what I have seen there's lots of multiway pots and hardly anyone with under two racks in front of them. It's a little outside my BR right now, but thought I'd throw that out there for anyone who likes decent size limit holdem action games. There's just not a lot of "stupid" action, from the very small sample of hands I've watched, so maybe it just plays really aggressive. If you're hitting hands though these kind of games are where you can get big scores without risk of ruin in one hand like NL.

Other than that I showed up at about 8am today and it was the only game going. A 4-8 started just after 10am, then an 8-16 shortly after. I've been there before and there's smaller games before ten, but just an fyi if any of you guys are early birds.

Also, if you show up before ten they give you a free breakfast. I'd suggest the Steak and Eggs. It's a nice cut of steak, with 2 eggs, HB's or other starch, and toast. The ticket covers it.

Mon-thurs the bi-hourly high hands go round the clock but it looks like fri-sun they don't have them between 6am and 10am, so another drawback for the early birds. However, it's decent value on the days they are round the clock as there may only be one game, or two, and they give out two high hands. High gets 200 and 2nd high gets 100, plus if you hit a high hand there's a decent chance you hit a montecarlo as well.

I'll be there again today and tomorrow if any 2+2'ers wanna say what's up. I enjoyed having breakfast and being able to read the entire western WA gambling journal (the paper style reader) as I got to catch up on all the various casino's happenings and promo's.

Looks like Muckelshoot's 3 tourney series where they add 50k is back. It's the end of Sept. I played the last one and although I blanked them I thought they had good value with decent structures, especially the 1k.

If anyone can suggest a morning tourney that's decent and has good value (looks like a lot of places add $$) let me know please. I think it's a decent way to start off a day of grinding. I saw some from that paper, but am not really up on which of them draw at least a couple tables for added value. I don't care for the ones that play for an hour or w/e then determine the winner by stack size. I don't mind a turbo, and that's to be expected, but if I can find one that plays down, adds a few hundo, and draws at least 2 tables I might take an extra trip and try the room. Lots of little card rooms around these days. Looking for the renton/tukwila area, thx.

I don't want to sound like a shill for DL's but do want people to know that it's a nice play to play IMO. I understand many don't try it because it's all limit. I first went there almost 20 years ago and there's still reg's from back then that frequent it. Also the last two times I've been there the owners (can't say names in BnM) have been there which just kinda shows they care. They've had the same owners since I first went there.

The dealers are professional and the food is good. That's actually a plus. I don't think many casinos have good food, let alone card rooms. I'd eat at DL's without even playing cards.

They've also got a jackpot over 106k right now. Quad 8's need to be beat. Add a monte carlo board, high hands every 2 hours, and a straight flush wheel where you need the suited 6 for 12k (no split) and it at least helps stomach the insane amount of money being dropped. They drop two for the JP's and $3 for the rake. Add an average of $1 tip and that's 6 bucks a hand...and in games like 4-8 . It is what it is though and I actually believe the 4-8 is beatable, even with that rake.

One of the drawbacks is the area is kinda shady. Renton's weird in that it can be professional and fine, and also have some gangs and bums etc. I did notice they have security though and they are responsive. It helps that Freddies is right across the street as I think they share resources and Freddies has good security etc. I wouldn't suggest going up the hill to skyway though. I haven't been there in ten years but it's rough up there and I asked someone today if that's changed and got a no.

DL's has removed the table games they had there the last time I played there regularly, so if you are the type that tilt gambles slots/table games or w/e, at least you wont find them here. You can walk across the street though, but that gives tilters some time to think.

Anyway, just some random thoughts on DL's and a mini trip report. All in all it's def the best place to play limit and I'd give it a B overall.

EDIT: Also a plus is they give free, quality refreshments, like red bull and san peligrino water. Drinks that normally cost $1.50-$2.50 is stores, so go ahead and take advantage of that. I drink two RB's a day actually so am gonna hold off when I play there and save the $5 I'd spend anyway. Again, the rake is pretty sick so you kind of have to take advantage of whatever value there is to help make up for it. There's also random things like free dinners mon-thurs and free cookies or w/e at 8pm.

I agree with all you've said about DL's, and I had been going there a lot for $8/$16, but...

I'm taking a break from playing there after some experiences that made me feel less-than-certain about the integrity of the game. Basically there were a several factors that all combined to give me a bad feeling:

• a ton of regs who are very friendly with each other (standard but still annoying when they soft play each other but play hard against new faces)
• dealers who play in the games (again standard) and are very friendly with the regs (one in particular, no names though)
• lots of non-English being spoken at and around the tables, before, during, and after hands (including by dealers?!?)
• lax enforcement of one-player-to-a-hand

The last straw was an incident where two of the regs were basically playing off the same stack and showing each other cards pretty blatantly. I spoke up and they got indignant so I racked up and left. I did speak to the floor, whose reaction was less-than-satisfactory ("I haven't been watching but I will start." Umm, okay?)

In fairness I was going through a downswing at $8/$16 which I'm really not fully rolled for, so I was inclined to be edgy. But I really wish they would tighten up the games a little bit, because even if there isn't straight-up cheating going on, it makes me nervous and I've ended up going other places to play.

Agreed.


q/q

From my experience in live cash games this stuff is love/hate. You should walk a fine line in appeasing them and keeping it in check. The ones doing this stuff tend to be mostly losing players, so it's in your best interest to let some of the small stuff go to keep them entertained and happy. I think lil's staff is pretty solid overall.

This is why I have NEVER set foot in here. If you have to wonder if you're being cheated, you can always find another place to play.

I'm up for a mixed game in the Seattle area this week. Shoot me a pm if interested.

be more specific. HORSE? 10-20? your place or mine?

Perhaps a Dealer's choice game consisting of HORSE + PLO + NLHE. 10-20 for the limit games, 2-3 or 3-5 blinds for the PLO and NLHE games. I usually play at the Muck.

Sounds great to me.

I was reading back a few posts to just kinda review...

I'm glad you brought this up. The first time I read it I overlooked it as it had no meaning to me. Flash forward to now, after playing there last Sunday, and the way they run these high hands is really stupid and open for angles. I basically lost money and would have had one had I known the promo and how people angle it.

I had Q's full of 9's, not a great hand, but they are giving away high hands every half hour , as opposed to every 2 hours where I have been playing recently. An ok promo, with a decent chance of winning. However, they have an ever-running clock. They DO NOT call out "last hand for high hands" or anything like that. After the pot is shipped to me I proceed to have no less than 3 players tell me I should have "held my hand" for another 5 seconds or so, as that would have put me in the next half hour. So, my hand was no good for the half hour that was current/ending, but I got caught in some sort of black hole of time? The regs and anglers* apparently do this often. Well, thanks for telling me after the fact guys....

My hand held for the next half hour and even thought it was only $100 it kinda tilted me. It wasn't just that, they also said there was a tournament when I called the floor on the phone the night before to ask. Well there was no tourney and and the current floor tells me it's only the last Sunday and they don't have tourneys on Sundays etc etc. Apparently they have a "Super Sunday" where they give out $500 HH's every half hour, and the room fills. That's 30+ tables I was told. Sounds great, but can only imagine how that's run lol.

Anyway the place was dead (I think 3 NL$5's and 1 4/8 limit), the high hand thing was tilting (they really need to fix that and call out "last hand in this block") and their monte carlo board sucked also. It's only for SF wheels and RF's and SF wheels are worth 100 (lol) then 500 after they are hit once, so they have to be hit twice in a day to have any value I guess). The Royals were 500, then 5k. The 5k is not bad I guess, but again has to be hit twice.

I used to like the muck years ago, but I give last Sunday's trip (my first in years) a C-. Just not worth the trip, IMO, guys...if this is indicative of a normal Sunday there.

End of rant/TR of Muck for Sunday 7-17-2011

^^ To be fair, if you are a 4-8 limit player then you will probably love this place. Small sample but while I was waiting for the tournament, then for a NL seat after the tourney never ran :P...

The 4/8 game is played with a kill and it was not uncommon to have 200+ pots. 25-30% of the hands were capped pre and I saw at least a couple $150 pots, after much action, be folded on the riv bet as I guess they were on draws and couldn't even call a single bet, regardless of the size of the pot.

Lots of action and combine that with only 4 tables going and high hands every half hour, it would be a decent place to play for a low-limit/4-8 limit player just wanting to eat up the game.

For anyone else I stick to the C- though.

3 tables of $3-5SL sounds pretty good to me on a Sunday... what time were you there?
I'm surprised they only had one $4-8 game, usually from what I've seen, they always have plenty of tables, much more than the SL games.. Then again, I don't play limit anymore

FWIW, just be careful playing at the Muck with some of the dealers there. I was playing in the 3-5SL game late at night(actually early morning), I flopped a set of Aces vs a fish and I bet the flop, fish calls, on the turn I'm waiting for the guy to make his move, then I asked the fish, "did you check?" The fish says yes, and then the dealer, prematurely, proceeded to burn and turn..

I say "hold on! I want to bet" So they called the floor, and because I made what was perceived as a checking motion, was over-ruled. Their ruling pretty much cost me the fish's entire stack..

There fried rice is pretty good though, they use lean cuts of chicken breast, which I appreciate.

I'm looking for a local home game, NLHE or PLO. Bellevue/Kirkland area. Please PM me if anyone needs a player. I typically play tuesdays/Saturdays, but can often find time on other nights.

You might recognize me from Sno/muck/tulalip I always wear a mariners hat, scruffy face.

I hate driving 30-40 minutes when I know theres home games around.

Hit me up!

Corey

Theres a lot of talk about the comparison between the Sno, Muck, and Tulalip. And of course, it's really about personal preference. I play mostly 3/5SL.

All three have pros:

Tulalip: closed poker room with no smoke! Excellent staff with knowledgible dealers that pay attention to the action and professional. Fish that stick around after their first buyin. They run 3/5 5/10 my fav games.The food is good. Well kept casino. Very nice hotel. Tournements with $ added. The floor does a good job of balancing the tables.

Muckleshoot: high hands! Seems like constantly they have high hands paying out often. Variety of games. Their table clockins help keep the tables full when there are players waiting. They run 3/5 5/5 and 5/10 SLHE, my fav games. And a bar inside the poker room! Tournements with $ added.

Snoqualmie: Nice, closed poker room with no smoke! Fun dealing staff that are professional. Free food with points accrued playing! Gotta love free steaks. Shortest drive from Bellevue! 5/10 on mondays and PLO on Tuesdays! Very well kept casino.

Now the Cons:

Tulalip: Longest drive from Bellevue. Their food takes 30-45 minutes in the poker room. Hotel gives us only a small discount.

Muckleshoot: Open room to casino smoke, no door to enclose the room! They don't start games when 9-10 people are on a list because they are currently playing. (regardless of the fact there are lists for those games as well) The casino is in Auburn. I grew up there and never want to go back. Sadly, last night when I was playing poker at the Muckleshoot, 5 people were shot in their club. I definately felt uneasy as I cashed out and walked to my car. I recommend valet. The floor does not balance 3 tables together that I have noticed. Last night I played 5 & 6 handed for an hour while 2 other tables same limit were full. Then our table filled up again.

Snoqualmie: 2/5 is $300 buyin doesnt make sense. If you're trying to please both 1/3 and 3/5 players, then maybe offer more promotions to gather players. The problem is, 1/3 players don't want to play 2/5 and 3/5 players don't want to play 2/5 and buyin for 300! The dealers are very friendly, but can get distracted by regs. The floor is also reluctant starting new games if a couple listed players are already playing. I understand their reasoning if its 3am but comon! If it's during the day, start the game! Obviousely the seats will get filled. And if not, at least the players are playing what they want to play. Tournements? The room is too small.

I've been a longtime lurker of 2+2, so its about time I contribute something.
I hope my comments are helpful. If you see me around, please say hello.

that's pretty crazy about the shooting.. Idiot came in looking for his wife and sure enough found her with another dude.. I've never really felt unsafe at the Muck, I guess something like that could happen anywhere..
fwiw, there was a shooting nearby in Kent at a car show on the same day. 11 People were injured.. crazy times man..