Lots of fun with plenty of 2-7 newbies. Game developed into just deuce for several hours until people started feeling crazy so we went back to TOE. I think we need another more one way game, e.g. LHE, PLO with a cap, badugi, or the like, to balance out the mix. I thought the dealers handled the challenge nicely for the most part and kept the game moving. good job Fortune at accommodating player demand for game variety.

As a side effect, the lone 20/40 game ended up getting super juicy because some of the tough regs were off getting schooled at deuce and stud8 instead of battling like normal.

Sounds like a win-win. Maybe a weekly 2-7TD only game to get players versed in the game would make sense. I would go for that for sure. 10-20 limit would be my suggestion.

The game stayed full until well after 5am. I would consider the first outing to be a huge success. Dealers did great overall in learning the new games, everyone was friendly and having a good time. Much strategy (some of it probably incorrect, especially from me) was discussed.

I would like to thank Nick and the fortune management for giving this a shot, there seemed to be quite a bit of interest. At one point we had a full game (7 handed) with 7-8 on the list.

For next week, if you would like to play the list will open at 8am Monday morning. Based on how things went tonight, there was SOME movement in and out of the game, but a lot of the lineup was pretty fixed, so I would recommend calling in and starting the game if you are dying to play.

The format next week will be the same (pending review by myself and Nick) and we will continue to make changes as requested by players and as needed.

This game is meant to be something that may evolve and change with new games added.

Thanks to all the players who showed up, most fun I've had playing poker in a long time.

Thanks to Nick, Fortune Poker, and Lockes for putting the game together. Was good to put some faces to screen names, heh. Very friendly game in general.

Dealers had some tough times here or there but for the most part handled it well; during their down breaks we saw them practicing mix games on the side. Can't ask for more commitment than that from the staff.

The game wasn't "great" by any means but it wasn't bad either. The O8 part was clearly the toughest since most players had experience in the game but the other two games were plenty good, Triple Draw specifically.

It's not a game where you're probably going to print money, but at 15/30, I highly doubt anyone is trying to get rich. It's nice to play a fun game with a group of good live players who keep the action going, and there's enough spots in the game to be a winning player if you have a grasp on the action.

Some of my random thoughts:

-I agree with beset that we should have another one-way game in the mix. I really loathe LHE but I could see it in the game. Badugi would be even better though if we can swing it.
-Would prefer a time charge once the dealers get the hang of dealing the games, though $3 rake isn't unreasonable by any measure.
-Movement off the game was rare in the first five hours.
-People in mix games are far more likely to play shorthanded, which is important.
-Seven handed with one sit-out for the draw games is a good feel. I've often played it eight handed with two sit-outs and that sucks. Plus it makes the other games more shorthanded, which is always good.

Anyway, really hope it continues to go. I will support it as best I can on Mondays, though other days are often fine (believe Wednesday was also discussed).

EDIT: Also, how could I forget - the front door review. 0/10 would not use again

Thanks Nick!!

On behalf of Fortune Poker and myself (NICK) I want to sincerely thank everyone for the great kick off to the new Mix game. Appreciate all the players for their patients while our team gets up to speed with the new games. Fortune Poker feel so grateful that you choose to allow us to host your game. Looking forward to building the buzz and excitement with all of you and to acquire new players to join in the fun.

I agree with Lockes . "Most fun I had playing poker in a long time"


Hope to see more new faces next Monday night at 7pm
Sign will begin 8am Monday morning
Players may call in and reserve a seat. If for some reason you call and reserve a seat and later will be unable to make it please call back and notify staff.

Enjoyable to play the other games. The only thing I would like to see is faster turnover between games. Change every fifteen minutes at least. Or every time around the table. I am up for any other games mixed in too. Thanks for setting this up and will see you guys next Monday.

Thanks, Nick for hosting the game and Lockes for getting the players together. Was looking forward to playing Triple Draw live, and even so it was more fun than expected.

About adding LHE to the mix, there might be concerns it'd overlap with the 20 game player pool. That said, I agree it'd be nice to balance the mix with a one-way game (am also fine with TOE as it is).

It was discussed that changing games on the same down may be too much for the dealers at this time. Overall, the dealers did a great job of learning the new formats and am surprised at how few mistakes occurred over the whole night (especially in stud).

1) i would LOVE to be able to play a jr version of the mixed game. 3/6 or 4/8 instead of 10/20 or 15/30
2) the 1/3 game at 4am was great today

Agreed with this. I think a 4/8 mix could get some traction

Anyone else firing Tulalip tomorrow?

While I support low limit mixed games in theory, the rake is incredibly high on these without promos to back them up and hands per hour is really low especially with new players. Rooms generally can't afford to spread them all that often. And Fortune's O8 ecosystem is doing very well already with generous promos; I'd imagine they want to keep that going without jeopardizing it.

Well said.

Fired today. Busted. GLGL

I thought without the promos Seattle has the lowest rake in the country. Is it still $3 per hand? That's lower than I have ever paid for a 4/8 game in my life.

It's $3+$3 and the PSJ is raked as well with a maintenance fee. $6 out of every pot is pretty high even if the promos are neutral to positive EV during low traffic hours.

But you said "without promos to back them up" so I assumed they wouldn't be taking the promotional drop. Didn't someone say they only took the $3 from the 15/30 mix? If they are really dropping $6 but the game is not included in the promotions, that would of course be horrible rake, but I'm assuming it would also be illegal.

No, 15/30 mix and O8 is only $3, no PSJ.

I'm just saying $6/pot off the table is tough on most ecosystems even if more is redistributed during slow periods.

Brandon Cantu currently in the 15/30 @ Fortune.

The the casual observer would have no idea! I checked his twitter, couldn't really tell much other than he has a picture of himself with fat stacks and hes from portland

RIP 2-20
PRAISE 1-3 NL AT FORTUNE

I notice that a few players don't like the 'if it crossed the line chips are in play' rule.

Just announce your bet. Don't wave your chips around. Its a really simple rule and perfectly reasonable given the Fortune 1/3 is literally the only game is town.

Not driving to the Tulalip for 1/3. Their food is the nut low and the extra drive time is not worth any possible +EV situation you could think over driving to Renton. People who say there are crazy people at the Lip, there are crazy people at Fortune and I dont have to drive an extra 40 minutes to get sucked out on.

I have no idea why this is so difficult to grasp for most people. I do it in limit and no-limit games alike before pushing chips. It makes things very clear and eliminates any sort of confusion.

Belatedly I'd be remiss not to thank Nick and lockes for their efforts in getting the Monday mix going. Great job, guys. The Seattle poker scene is much richer for your efforts.

Love,
The guy falsely accused of never saying anything good about the Seattle poker scene

Eh, it avoids vocalization tells I guess. But if it carries a tiny chance of screwing up your bet, then how much is that tell worth? Better yet, learn to verbalize in a flat monotone or anything else consistent.





That said, "cross the line" is a moderately dumb house rule invented sometime in the past by people who didn't really get poker or didn't think through it very carefully. It lends itself to angles and other behavior that's still not in the spirit of poker. So am I allowed to feint with a stack of chips as long as I don't cross the line? Can I insist my opponent's huge bet stand if I have the nuts, yet forget to point it out if I want to call a smaller bet?

And please don't say, "Well, you should know the house rules before you sit down!" Of course it's good to know the rules, but that's beside the point.

Tracking the "Live Casino Poker" forum taught me that experienced floors/managers respect clear intent where at all possible. This is the best way to protect those who are less experienced. If someone holds out a stack of red to cut off $15 so quickly the next person can't give a tell, then it's preposterous to say ruling it a $100 is respectful intent. Clearly it's the opposite.

Sometimes intent isn't clear, but there it is. Respect the intent.

He played good. Not surprisingly. He was up here playing the Tulalip tournament.
Looking for a higher stakes game.

part of poker is to not act on your hand until it is your turn. that is the rules. so those that start acting out of turn just because someone has grabbed chips or is moving them forward takes his chances on the result. that is the best way and it always has been. and no angle shooting can happen unless you are the one making the mistake.
and that is what floor people are for. if someone is shooting angles and messing up the game he is asked to leave or change his behavior. that really works.