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Originally Posted by PASANDSMAN
Went to this place last night again for the second time. Wrote a TR about my first experience but thought maybe this time after seeing the same annoying behavior should post it here in hopes maybe some players would see thinking about heading down for some O/E. If you are a non-regular in this game you will be at a huge disadvantage. The regs here soft play one another/squeeze you out of pots more than I have ever seen at any other venue or game. Especially in the Stud8 round they will squeeze you out with bet/raise and once you fold the two villians will check it down no matter what. Many times they will even throw all their cards face up to sweat it together. They will raise you out, once they are heads up check it down every time. I have even seen it done with three of the regs once they bet me out of the pot. Another thing you will find is them capping preflop in the O8 round with any hand imaginable, talking up a storm during the hand, and then again once you are out it gets checked down many times.
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Originally Posted by FlyingSpaghetti
Squeezing the 3rd guy (caller who is still drawing) in Stud8 is just good poker.
IMO heads up check down is harmless when it's obvious that they're heading for a chop. An example hand where that's *not* obvious would help to make your case.
FWIW I haven't seen anything as egregious as you describe (opening hands early as if all-in) - but l don't have a lot of hours at Parx either. I personally never soft play anyone, ever.
I'm normally only able to come out to play once or twice a week on average. I also tend to split my time between the OE 6/12 and 1/2NL.
FlyingSpaghetti here makes some valid points that are consistent with my experiences.
It doesn't take long to pick out the regs and how they play. I see the soft play typically in Stud8 and during 6th or 7th street when heading towards an obvious chop heads up or with non-nut hands and frankly, in this capacity, I really don't care. The ones i've noticed that do soft play with each other are usually the passive regs who only bet very strong hands. You make it sound as though folks are soft playing the nuts and checking it down. I'm not saying you haven't experienced this, I just haven't seen this in my experiences.
In the times i've played, i've never seen cards thrown face up for a sweat before all action is completed heads up or otherwise. I only started to log my sessions recently and after 40 hours in the OE game i've never seen this. With all due respect, it's hard to believe the "many times" you say it's happened in the 2 sessions you've played.
The O8 portion certainly plays more aggressive than Stud8 with no personal exposed cards.
I do see squeezing in both games but I wouldn't say it's anything that I would consider collusive or malicious. I sat in a session the other night with 1 guy i've never played with before. He sat to the left of a very aggressive reg (who would typically bet or raise nearly any flop) and he routinely put in another bet, then would play passive on 4th and 5th street unless he happened to be strong. He did this consistently just to narrow the field. His problem was that he did it much too frequently with top pair no draw, bottom two pair, weak low draw type hands. Much disappointment when he left with what little was left in his stack.
I don't claim to be anything special in these games but narrowing the field in limit drawing games to me is also good poker. Especially when, as it is in Parx 6/12 OE game, there are way too many people who are calling down no matter what trying to hit.