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Originally Posted by cl0r0x70
It's not like we're talking about rake. . . the money isn't disappearing off the table. Higher antes are neutral-EV assuming you're adjusting accordingly and playing more hands. They do increase variance, pot size, etc. and punish nittiness.
Stud without antes is a truly awful game.
I see what your saying and totally agree. Seriously though, does $8 or $9 really make a difference in the game? I mean does that $8 really juice up the game at all?
Now if we were playing a 25 game w/ $5 antes, $40-$45 preflop is a little different imo.
I just think the game is a bit too small for antes.
Stud is a nit game. Not sure why people keep trying to make it an action fest (I do , but I'd rather not offend the "moneymaker effect" generation). Like I said before, if you don't like the money in the pot at that stake then start a 10 or 25 game.
I think there should be a "dabble" stud game for those who don't want to play big. A 2-10 structure plays bigger then 1-5 but is easier to commit to(for the 1-5ers) because it looks as though it won't play as high as it actually does. This is one of the reasons I think it will not have problems running. Introduce the antes and you won't get the reg nits playing the nit game they have known for decades.
I want to play the guy who is thinking "...it's only $2-$4 more per street than I'm used to
and I can win 50%-100% more per pot then I'm used to as well..."<<<< the same nit that thinks this (and is going to play regularly because of this thought) is the same nit that is not going to want $20 in forced bets per hour at this level. If he wanted forced bets he can try his
luck at a $5 BJ or 3cp table.
You guys can do what you want. I just think you should give it a shot w/out antes and see how it goes. $8 isn't gonna make or break anyone ITT. I'm sure if the people that are considering this game ITT play, your not going to have to worry about small pots relative to the stake. There will be plenty of action w/ you guys. Good for you, good for the casino.
Do you want to play $50+ pots regularly, or do you want to complain about the $8 that isn't there? You need to build the player pool, and your not gonna get the players described above if you have antes in a game playing this low IMHO.