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Originally Posted by ParX_miles
I cannot honestly say I play NL at any stake, least of which the bigger games 2/5 or 10/10 with any desire what-so-ever for BBJ that bleeds the game. First, Deep 2/5 1k max as a pot-rake is a pill in and of itself since both 5 dollars became the norm, and knowing it is equally common to time-rake starting at 2/5....but, it is what it is.
Back to my point...Could not be more set against making an equal contribution to a common BBJ which has an invariable probability to pay off time and again in structures/limits that are conducive to resulting in exponentially more multi-way pots/showdowns than other limits/structures.
A 10-10 or 2-5 game hitting the bad-beat IS a bad beat! 3/6, 4/8 limit and 1/2 no limit are WAY ahead. Its not appropriate to enlist 2/5nl and above or 10/20 limit and above players to subscribe to forced BBJ tables be part of the same BBJ as low stakes games without some KY Jelly.
Would a 20 dollar bet on EVEN or BLACK on roulette pay out the same as a 20 dollar bet placed on 1 through 12?
And then 1/2 players...Public service announcement...you guys do understand a 5 dollar pot-rake, 1 dollar drop to BBJ, thats a 6 dollar/pot of 50 dollars getting leaked off of a table perhaps 2k-2.5k in play. Plus assuming a 1 dollar tip min, so call it 7.
Well folks, some simple astro-calculus...
Take your everyday shallow creampuff 1/2 game with soft-passive action, aka majority of 1/2. I am going to say that you can commonly find them, and 30-90 dollar pots all day long, if you are lucky. a decent 200 dollar pot or more only born via cooler fix. I am not making claim to this as statistical fact...but its not far off...does not include EVERY 1/2...but half or better I'd say.
7 dollar drop bbj+rake+min tip on your 50 dollar pot. Say 20 deals a half, loose-passive will produce maybe 15 of these 20 hands play out and breach 50 dollar pot for max drop, lets call the average pot of the these 15 equal 67 dollars.
After the 6 dollars of mandatory rake and BBJ, you can ballpark 10 percent of EVERY pot on average is removed from play. 30 times/ hour x 6 (plus tips) so a conservative 180/hr from a table with 2k in play! Tips will make it well over 200. Thats 10% of EVERY POT of average size. 10% of all chips in play every hour of play. Game is tapped like a poker keg.
2/5 can sustain the slow leak mainly because its a deep game that often plays with 10k or more on the table. But due to reasons above, 2/5 has an interest in opposing a BBJ , particularly one that is collective and gives eligibility to the showdown specialists in lower, smaller games
PLAN .....end this debate and let it fade into obscurity as an entry among the voluminous collection of bits of old gripes, and find a new controversy.
And another thing, if it aint broke, dont fix it. This room works well with no BBJ. Dont need to fix it. Lets not forget, it is a sucker bet. We are not a 50/50 raffle. Slots are downstairs.
I see your points but I still don't mind a BBJ. Sure it sucks to have $7 per hand taken away, but I would much sooner complain about the
$5 rake the house is taking, ridiculous. I'd also rather complain about the $1 per hand needed to tip and not feel like a douche, sorry to offend dealers but they are quite overpaid for the work they do.
Out of the three I'd have the least complaint with $1 taken per hand that will bring more recreational type players, and also make them play worse then they normally would, that is a decent proposition itself, throw in the fact that you actually could hit it yourself with the house taking such a small piece of it I just don't have a problem with it.