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Old 07-13-2012, 05:27 PM   #7576
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Re: Parx Casino (Bensalem, PA) -- FAQ updated 2011.09.08

Anyone play the 6/12 OE game this past Saturday ?
I haven't played it in over two months, so I really didn't know what to expect.
I was in the 1st must move game for 5+ hours, and it was really loose. There also was three (!) tables going at one point, and overall I noticed less regs than usual. Good times, I'll be back next Saturday.

BTW, the decision to make the half kill 10/20 was a good one.
Easier to count (for me anyway) with the $2 chips than 9/18...
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Old 07-13-2012, 06:20 PM   #7577
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Parx will have a BBJ when the poker room gets moved to the new building. It doesn't make much sense to add it before the move as the casual pit gambler won't walk outside to parx east to try to hit it. When poker is in the same building, it will attract pit players who otherwise wouldn't step foot ino a card room.
When are they moving the room and how do you know that?? I really like the atmosphere in Parx East, kind of isolated from all the craziness and I just feel very relaxed and focused in there most of the time, so that's kind of a shock to hear. Have I overlooked a post in this thread talking about it already?
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Old 07-13-2012, 06:40 PM   #7578
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When are they moving the room and how do you know that?? I really like the atmosphere in Parx East, kind of isolated from all the craziness and I just feel very relaxed and focused in there most of the time, so that's kind of a shock to hear. Have I overlooked a post in this thread talking about it already?
It's common knowledge and not a huge secret or anything. Parx east was always temporary from the onset I believe. Parx east is just gonna be horse racing again.

I think the expected date is 2013.
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Old 07-13-2012, 07:18 PM   #7579
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It's common knowledge and not a huge secret or anything. Parx east was always temporary from the onset I believe. Parx east is just gonna be horse racing again.

I think the expected date is 2013.
A dealer at Parx recently said the move would be Fall of this year. Not sure if he was "in the know" or just speculating, though.
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Old 07-13-2012, 09:03 PM   #7580
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is there any buses from nyc to parx?
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Old 07-14-2012, 06:26 AM   #7581
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I usually play at parx twice a week. I went to AC yesterday to take advantage of the free room offer by Revel. Got there at 3pm and zero games were running and not 1 person was on a list waiting. The floor guy told me it was bc harrahs BBJ was huge and everyone is chasing it.

I walked over to Showboat and played there til 1 am. Room had about 11-15 tables running. People were there for 2 reasons. 1. The BBJ was 600k. 2. Showboat offers a free buffet for only an hour of poker play.

This was the first time I ever walked into the showboat(and the last) and I recognized at least 20 people that I see at parx regularly. Unless these people were driving an hour for a free buffet, I'd say the BBJ is a huge draw to poker players. I could car less about it, but it's the only thing everyone at my table was talking about all night. At least 4 dealers commented on the fact that the actually table we were playing on hasn't been used in over a year, basically meaning the room was extra crowded due to the BBJ and more tables were in play.

Parx will have a BBJ when the poker room gets moved to the new building. It doesn't make much sense to add it before the move as the casual pit gambler won't walk outside to parx east to try to hit it. When poker is in the same building, it will attract pit players who otherwise wouldn't step foot ino a card room.
It will bring some business when the BBJ's high.

People go to AC on the weekends, for the free rooms, bring family, or friends. Similar to what you were doing at revel. Once there they might go to where the BBJ is highest, all things being equal.
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Old 07-14-2012, 10:53 AM   #7582
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Concerning the bad beat jackpot - Regulars are the heart and soul of Parx. They are the ones who pay in more accumulated rake than all recreational players combined. Why should anyone have to pay in an extra $1 per hand everyday to a jackpot they will probably never see returned in their lifetime. Plus a percentage of that jackpot goes to advertising, a percentage goes to extra security, a percentage goes to extra man hours to handle it and count it. It's not all coming back to the poker community. And by the off chance, you are struck by lightning and happen to hit the bad beat jackpot, you would have paid so much into the bad beat jackpot in your lifetime that you only break even or lose after paying taxes and tipping the dealer. It'll make games run slower with more fills, more change making, wasting valuable game time. As far as bringing more recreational players and business...NOT TRUE. Those recreational players will only come in when the jackpot is high and when it's hit, business is back to normal. In this process of acquiring the occasional recreational, non-loyal customers, you will be losing the cream of the crop at Parx. The regular customer at Parx who returns day after day and doesn't deserve a $6 rake to pay a non-loyal customer's pipe dream. Plus the regulars will be the ones paying for this frivolous instant lotto, and when the bad beat is high, a stampede of recreational players will win it. Someone who plays three times a year, who didn't pay anything into it, and will not put it back into the poker community. The regulars would much rather go to borgata and pay hundreds in less rake a week if the bad beat ever comes to Parx. Thus Parx majority clientele leaving for good.
Couldn't agree with you more. The vast majority of the time the bad beat jackpot is hit in a 1/2 game so the higher limit games fund this jackpot. To make matters worse most of the time the players who win the big amounts do not put back any of the money in the poker community. While it only costs each player only .111 cents per hand (9 handed table) if you are a regular player it costs $1110 for every 10,000 hands played. If the average dealer gets out 25 hands per hour (not sure what the correct number is at Parx) that translates to it costing each player $1110 for every 400 hours of play.

The bad beat jackpot is great for the casinos as the players fund it and the casinos get free advertising etc. I wouldn't mind it so much if the casinos added some money to it but of course they don't so it's a free ride for them.
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Old 07-14-2012, 11:41 AM   #7583
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Couldn't agree with you more. The vast majority of the time the bad beat jackpot is hit in a 1/2 game so the higher limit games fund this jackpot. To make matters worse most of the time the players who win the big amounts do not put back any of the money in the poker community. While it only costs each player only .111 cents per hand (9 handed table) if you are a regular player it costs $1110 for every 10,000 hands played. If the average dealer gets out 25 hands per hour (not sure what the correct number is at Parx) that translates to it costing each player $1110 for every 400 hours of play.

The bad beat jackpot is great for the casinos as the players fund it and the casinos get free advertising etc. I wouldn't mind it so much if the casinos added some money to it but of course they don't so it's a free ride for them.
An easier way to think of it is that all players in the game take a $2.75/hour pay cut.

You can get to this number more easily by simply figuring that you win between 2 and 3 pots / hour on average, and pay $1 per win.

If you play a more loose aggressive style, you will lose more to the BBJP pool. If you're nittier, you'll lose less.

It sucks, but it makes total sense for the casino. There is zero downside for them; Parx is simply too convenient and comparatively well run to lose business over this.
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Old 07-14-2012, 09:56 PM   #7584
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what game is this? 5-0 -6 LHE
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Old 07-14-2012, 10:45 PM   #7585
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where do they have the schedule for WPT ME satellite ? heard there is one tomorrow
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Old 07-15-2012, 04:22 AM   #7586
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I cannot honestly say I play NL at any stake, least of which the bigger games 2/5 or 10/10 with any desire what-so-ever for BBJ that bleeds the game. First, Deep 2/5 1k max as a pot-rake is a pill in and of itself since both 5 dollars became the norm, and knowing it is equally common to time-rake starting at 2/5....but, it is what it is.
Back to my point...Could not be more set against making an equal contribution to a common BBJ which has an invariable probability to pay off time and again in structures/limits that are conducive to resulting in exponentially more multi-way pots/showdowns than other limits/structures.

A 10-10 or 2-5 game hitting the bad-beat IS a bad beat! 3/6, 4/8 limit and 1/2 no limit are WAY ahead. Its not appropriate to enlist 2/5nl and above or 10/20 limit and above players to subscribe to forced BBJ tables be part of the same BBJ as low stakes games without some KY Jelly.

Would a 20 dollar bet on EVEN or BLACK on roulette pay out the same as a 20 dollar bet placed on 1 through 12?

And then 1/2 players...Public service announcement...you guys do understand a 5 dollar pot-rake, 1 dollar drop to BBJ, thats a 6 dollar/pot of 50 dollars getting leaked off of a table perhaps 2k-2.5k in play. Plus assuming a 1 dollar tip min, so call it 7.
Well folks, some simple astro-calculus...
Take your everyday shallow creampuff 1/2 game with soft-passive action, aka majority of 1/2. I am going to say that you can commonly find them, and 30-90 dollar pots all day long, if you are lucky. a decent 200 dollar pot or more only born via cooler fix. I am not making claim to this as statistical fact...but its not far off...does not include EVERY 1/2...but half or better I'd say.

7 dollar drop bbj+rake+min tip on your 50 dollar pot. Say 20 deals a half, loose-passive will produce maybe 15 of these 20 hands play out and breach 50 dollar pot for max drop, lets call the average pot of the these 15 equal 67 dollars.

After the 6 dollars of mandatory rake and BBJ, you can ballpark 10 percent of EVERY pot on average is removed from play. 30 times/ hour x 6 (plus tips) so a conservative 180/hr from a table with 2k in play! Tips will make it well over 200. Thats 10% of EVERY POT of average size. 10% of all chips in play every hour of play. Game is tapped like a poker keg.


2/5 can sustain the slow leak mainly because its a deep game that often plays with 10k or more on the table. But due to reasons above, 2/5 has an interest in opposing a BBJ , particularly one that is collective and gives eligibility to the showdown specialists in lower, smaller games

PLAN .....end this debate and let it fade into obscurity as an entry among the voluminous collection of bits of old gripes, and find a new controversy.

And another thing, if it aint broke, dont fix it. This room works well with no BBJ. Dont need to fix it. Lets not forget, it is a sucker bet. We are not a 50/50 raffle. Slots are downstairs.

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Old 07-15-2012, 10:12 AM   #7587
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I found it.. looks like they are running it every sunday,
http://www.parxcasino.com/pdf/poker-...t-schedule.pdf

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Old 07-15-2012, 10:40 AM   #7588
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what game is this? 5-0 -6 LHE
It was a mistake in the system, nothing like that was running.
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Old 07-15-2012, 06:03 PM   #7589
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Down here today. Definitely a nice room. Need more items on the menu though.
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Old 07-15-2012, 06:42 PM   #7590
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Down here today. Definitely a nice room. Need more items on the menu though.
+1 on the food options, although what they have is decent.

Wouldn't mind seeing a low/mid limit stud game & 8/16 LHE either...
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Old 07-15-2012, 07:07 PM   #7591
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theres going to be more players bcuz of bbj even if some of the regulars leave
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Old 07-15-2012, 09:42 PM   #7592
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Wouldn't mind seeing a low/mid limit stud game & 8/16 LHE...
+1

Or for Pete's sake a 4/8 chip structure for 4/8. $2 chips is beyond stupid.
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Old 07-15-2012, 10:00 PM   #7593
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does anyone know how many tables of 1/2 NL are running at around 8am on weekdays, and also what the action is like at those times? thanks!
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Old 07-15-2012, 10:02 PM   #7594
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does anyone know how many tables of 1/2 NL are running at around 8am on weekdays, and also what the action is like at those times? thanks!
8am, games are juicy.
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Old 07-15-2012, 10:11 PM   #7595
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seriously?
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Old 07-15-2012, 10:31 PM   #7596
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I live in Philly and i play poker a few times a week, prolly 10-20 most weeks i am in town. I travel lot and have played all over.

I understand why folks don't want a BBJ. I prolly pay $500-$1k. The only place I ever gotten anything back, except at DelawarePark where they use it for promotional stuff as well.

I dont want a BBJ.

However i understand why parx might want one. First off all the folks saying we are gonna lose the regs at parx i think are wrong. Where are these regs gonna go? If ur a Philly reg u have a choice of Parx or chester. If u prefer parx ur not gonna like chester because parx introduces a bbj.

However it will introduce a bunch of gamblers that normally would not come to parx poker room including pit players who will play there more likely.

There are also many players that might come play when when there is a big bbj. So its not all bad for parx. It might not change the philly economy all that much and it will be bad for chester.
It will also be bad for the regs. But its actually not about the regs. The games will become much better when the BBJ is high allowing a host of new players to come to parx and win.


At the end of the day, it would be better to not have one. But its something parx has to do. There is no downside for them. The regs will stay and more recreational players will come.

It is also common that once one place in a region starts one, all casinos have to follow.
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Old 07-15-2012, 10:33 PM   #7597
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theres going to be more players bcuz of bbj even if some of the regulars leave
and where would they go? online? Chester? yea right!
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I cannot honestly say I play NL at any stake, least of which the bigger games 2/5 or 10/10 with any desire what-so-ever for BBJ that bleeds the game. First, Deep 2/5 1k max as a pot-rake is a pill in and of itself since both 5 dollars became the norm, and knowing it is equally common to time-rake starting at 2/5....but, it is what it is.
Back to my point...Could not be more set against making an equal contribution to a common BBJ which has an invariable probability to pay off time and again in structures/limits that are conducive to resulting in exponentially more multi-way pots/showdowns than other limits/structures.

A 10-10 or 2-5 game hitting the bad-beat IS a bad beat! 3/6, 4/8 limit and 1/2 no limit are WAY ahead. Its not appropriate to enlist 2/5nl and above or 10/20 limit and above players to subscribe to forced BBJ tables be part of the same BBJ as low stakes games without some KY Jelly.

Would a 20 dollar bet on EVEN or BLACK on roulette pay out the same as a 20 dollar bet placed on 1 through 12?

And then 1/2 players...Public service announcement...you guys do understand a 5 dollar pot-rake, 1 dollar drop to BBJ, thats a 6 dollar/pot of 50 dollars getting leaked off of a table perhaps 2k-2.5k in play. Plus assuming a 1 dollar tip min, so call it 7.
Well folks, some simple astro-calculus...
Take your everyday shallow creampuff 1/2 game with soft-passive action, aka majority of 1/2. I am going to say that you can commonly find them, and 30-90 dollar pots all day long, if you are lucky. a decent 200 dollar pot or more only born via cooler fix. I am not making claim to this as statistical fact...but its not far off...does not include EVERY 1/2...but half or better I'd say.

7 dollar drop bbj+rake+min tip on your 50 dollar pot. Say 20 deals a half, loose-passive will produce maybe 15 of these 20 hands play out and breach 50 dollar pot for max drop, lets call the average pot of the these 15 equal 67 dollars.

After the 6 dollars of mandatory rake and BBJ, you can ballpark 10 percent of EVERY pot on average is removed from play. 30 times/ hour x 6 (plus tips) so a conservative 180/hr from a table with 2k in play! Tips will make it well over 200. Thats 10% of EVERY POT of average size. 10% of all chips in play every hour of play. Game is tapped like a poker keg.


2/5 can sustain the slow leak mainly because its a deep game that often plays with 10k or more on the table. But due to reasons above, 2/5 has an interest in opposing a BBJ , particularly one that is collective and gives eligibility to the showdown specialists in lower, smaller games

PLAN .....end this debate and let it fade into obscurity as an entry among the voluminous collection of bits of old gripes, and find a new controversy.

And another thing, if it aint broke, dont fix it. This room works well with no BBJ. Dont need to fix it. Lets not forget, it is a sucker bet. We are not a 50/50 raffle. Slots are downstairs.
I see your points but I still don't mind a BBJ. Sure it sucks to have $7 per hand taken away, but I would much sooner complain about the $5 rake the house is taking, ridiculous. I'd also rather complain about the $1 per hand needed to tip and not feel like a douche, sorry to offend dealers but they are quite overpaid for the work they do.

Out of the three I'd have the least complaint with $1 taken per hand that will bring more recreational type players, and also make them play worse then they normally would, that is a decent proposition itself, throw in the fact that you actually could hit it yourself with the house taking such a small piece of it I just don't have a problem with it.
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Old 07-16-2012, 09:57 AM   #7599
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what game is this? 5-0 -6 LHE
I also noticed a 5-0 PLO on the Bravo App last night, was that an error too? Might have just been an interest list, I don't remember for sure. Thought it might be a single $5 blind, which we usually do in our home game. Plays a little smaller than $5-5, but lets us keep it a red chip game.
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I also noticed a 5-0 PLO on the Bravo App last night, was that an error too? Might have just been an interest list, I don't remember for sure. Thought it might be a single $5 blind, which we usually do in our home game. Plays a little smaller than $5-5, but lets us keep it a red chip game.
Not an error. Game runs with one blind. Pretty smart, IMO.
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