I was at a must move table only once and they never moved me to the main table. MM table was still full of action. I played when they still had the max at 1k and it was sorta ****ty IMO (people buying in for 1k why not play higher?) Wish I could still play at Foxwoods, I prefer 500 max.

500 buyins nice....but I love the deepstack games. Buying on for 1k is short stacked in 5/10. 500 isn't very much either....it calls for much tighter play usually, only because say you face a 3bet of 75 preflop....hows that play out...against two good players its getting all in.

Speaking for 2/5 that is on 500 not being much. 800 gives you alittle more room.

And just to clarify I'm only speaking in terms of how live play plays out. Online is much different

Riza, read my prior posts for my first 2/5 experience in quite some time--if someone calls a flop raise with middle pair, you do not need to convince me that the competition is soft, even if he did suck out on the river...I do regret calling the river bet, although with his line, I kind of expect him to do it regardless of catching his card >_<.

The only thing that is preventing me from moving up for good is the fact that my bankroll cannot stand a huge amount of variance at that level combined with the fact that you were right about the players knowing each other...I was a little bit intimidated by the comradarie among some of the 2/5 regs.

And amen about online being different--yesterday the feeder was 6-handed and I played like I was online with my 21/17 mentality, and 3bets were actually small enough to have a legitimate 4bet non-shove situation.

I know your strictly mohegan....but foxwoods is much different as far as that goes. But when I've played at mohegan. And the gang up thing starts ill do something alittle crazy in the right spot just to get people to back down.

I can't speak on ones bankroll only because that's a personal decision for what you think you can handle IMO.


And I agree 100% on the online thing.

And BTW I didn't read your previous post...but I'm going to go on a limb and assume here....I know what assuming does too LOL...but was the flop coordinated....he could've been calling in hopes of later streets connecting and bluff you off of tptk. Idk though just guessing...

I know what you're saying but personally I have never felt the need to ever buy in for more than $500. I'm glad that Mohegan lowered it to 800 cuz I think buying in for 1k is just too much. As for 5/10, I'm not sure how it plays, but 1k is 100bb so it's not the worst logic imo... I'm sure if I knew how the action was I would speak differently.

Your logic makes sense for online play. Opening raise live can range from 50 bucks upwards of 80.

Logical 100bbs makes sense for online. But I agree 500 is enough but my personal preference is deep stack play.

I had A6 5-handed, villain had K7.

Flop comes down AK8, villain Cbets 50%, and I raise 3x to see where I am at (SH, top pair does not always need TK to survive). Villain calls with middle pair.

Villain checks the brick turn, I check behind because I have a weak kicker and want to see how the villain plays with river.

River is a 7, and villain fires off a huge overbet upon catching 2 pair that I interpreted as a bluff for checking back the turn. A very confusing line, and although it was not skillful on his part (he should have folded the flop), I still overplayed a marginal hand.

See what I mean by assuming LOL. Tough spot bro but honestly I'd probably fold there....I think the call check represents a big hand hoping for you to fire again. In 2/5 ill overbet some rivers for.the same mentality you just described for your call. I think I understand what he was trying to do....its probably easy to put you on to here. Just my opinion here....but in the long run 2/5 plays pretty different from 1/2. Maybe not as much of a gap as 5/10 to 2/5 but Def a gap. Just my opinion though that the more you stay at that level the more you'll get used to it.

A lot of those guys wont bet that large and bluff after you 3bet.

I really like a deep stack option.
It's not just about MS. At MS 2/5 NLH I prefer to seat in
with $500 mostly in red and bit of green chips. Then ,
as soon as I figure out what kind of action is at the table I adjust accordingly.
I will add 3 more black chips out of my pocket and mix them with greens or will buy greens up to the limit or will change nothing in my stack size.
Stack presentation is a part of your image at the table and should be considered as a part of your strategy.

Goodpoint that's the reason I'm always first to offer to sell my chips for bills.

Same here. Downsizing the biggest stack at the table make sense.
Only one note here. In a MM situation before selling chips you have to check
what's going on at the main table.
Oh well , that's kinda good quality problems.
I am on a break for almost 6 month now after running cold cards at MS both cash and donkaments. But I am ready to come back.

Anyone feel like opening up a dialogue about the differences between 1/2 and 2/5.

I've played in many casinos and never felt out of my element at a $5BB game. Most times I've felt the higher buy in game played worse only more aggresive.

I don't really have a live bank roll per se, I have a full time job and tend to spend from my "bankroll" for personal use.

If anyone can speak to the differences between the 1/2 and the 2/5 I might look to drop a buy-in at the 2/5 this weekend.

Riza, are you saying that he would not bet the river if it did not improve him to 2 pair? I had the villain until the river came down, and he essentially called with second pair and an undercard. I think checking the turn was very smart with TP weak kicker, but do you think he would have folded if I bet the turn? I seriously do not, but if he led the river, I would have definitely folded.

My situation is not do much 1/2 and 2/5 as much as it is the difference between full ring and shorthanded--I was out of my element in a 5-man feeder game, so I played a hand in a spot that I am not used to live. (for stakes that I have never played SH in before)

My main observation in 2/5 is how many regulars there are and how it can be a bit socially awkward being "on the outs". But seriously, I rarely have people in 1/2s call a flop raise with middle pair, so I do not think the players are much more skilled. Fewer calling stations, but just as many spews.

You might want to check out this somewhat recent thread in B&M. You have to filter through some of the noise, but a few good points made about 1/2 and 2/5...and I'm sure there are others out there.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/27...2-5-nl-719361/

i really should get over to the sun to check out the poker room..i haven't even been over there since i turned 21 and was actually allowed to gamble .....i hear nothing but good things about the poker room and looking at some pics the tables appear very nice

I'm kind of in a similar boat.

For anyone that knows the CT games well enough: how much would you recommend is needed in a purely poker bankroll to make the jump from 1-2 to 2-5? Assume buyins are anywhere between 100bb and max, and playing just mohegan and foxwoods.

EDIT:

Thanks Ill check this out

For 2/5, I am aiming for $8k before making the jump, and I am building up slowly from 1/2...although I took a bit of a hit on Wednesday, I am still chugging away. Live, I have never had a downswing of more than 2 buyins at once, but I have had periods of extremely slow earnings and periods of high variance within sessions, and I know that 10 buy-ins is typically "secure" for the live player at the low limits.

Online, I would be recommending 20-30 BIs.

yea 7-10k was the number I had in mind.. My cash play is limited to mostly 1-2 home games and a handful of casino sessions at 1-2 as well. The closest rooms to me only spread tourneys (with bad rake) and I'm trying to find ways to get more hours of cash play in but making sure I am getting the best return on my time if I have to drive 2.5+ hours to the resorts.

2-5 seems the way to go but I am not rolled for it yet so I'll have to grind it out with some 1-2 trips and obv some online play but I get so bored with it sometimes and cash out a lot into my life-roll

I like 2/5 a lot better than 1/2. I feel 1/2 its hard to bluff and its mostly just value betting. 2/5 I can bluff a lot more.

For 2/5 or any bankroll, I think you need enough of a roll to not play scared and to play your A game. That's up to the individual. It could be 1 buyin or 20. There are a lot of bad players at 2/5 so if you are any good, you should be a winner. But variance sux in this game. Take some shots if you can play your A game under rolled.

I'm a bankroll nit so not willing to take a shot @ 5/10 yet. Plus I've been getting crushed by variance online lately so I am ascared.

Specifically about MS 1/2 vs 2/5.
Biggest difference is that 2/5 NLH is a biggest regular game in the house, so
most regs are playing 2/5. I have to say that not all MS regs are equally good , but they are "friendly" to each other. This is their weakest spot, because it makes them predictable. But that's about weekdays.
On a weekend 2/5 is completely different. Much more easy money players ,
who can just afford to play 2/5 or even 5/10 just for fun. And also you will see 2-4 really strong outsiders at your table.

1/2 at MS is really soft.You play solid TAG and you win. I've seen only once a good LAG'er at 1/2 and he was a reg from FX.

I'm playing the advocate. Its just hard for me to believe he called thinking he was best. I think he was planning a bluff which turned best hand.

Which was my thinking, as well. I probably should have floated him in hindsight, as it would have likely killed the bluff.

Wow, I have been there about 1 to 2 times a month for a year now and that hasn't been my experience at all. Sometimes there is a table full of rocks, like a Friday night; but usually there are plenty of people who will call down with any pair they made on the board and ANY pocket pair. And of course chase into pot sized bets HU.

I find I tend to LAG it up there (LAGGY for me anyway) and profit usually. There's always lots of limping and that greatly opens up my range. One thing I typically can't do is pop it to $50 OTB in a 5-way limped pot and hope to take it down, or squeeze in the blinds with a middle pocket pair. Online those are insta-mucks against most opponents because everyone is a TAG.

This is obviously all a generalization - it's table dependent given the players. And I'm no longer very patient at a table if I see it's all rocks and 50% short stacks. "FLOOR!"