No one is saying poker rooms dont make money or dont bring in other hidden money in the ways you mention. Thats not the point or why the rooms are more expendable. Its how much LESS they bring in than slots and table games. I once heard a pokerroom manager on a podcast say that theres not a pokerroom in the country that makes more in a day than 3 table games.

I get that theory but in most casinos many slots and table games are not at capacity often. That means that replacing a room with slots is not going to add additional revenue unless the poker room is already losing money. So poker brings in additional revenue and has other ancillary benefits people mentioned.

Some good comedy going on around here as the room tries to singlehandedly reinterpret the oversized chip rule.

Details?

Noticed PLO still consistently running daily.
Is there a group of players it runs around? I played this past Wednesday and there were 2 games, must move was far better than the main game.

A scenario came up where a player 1st to act on flop multi way announced " Check raise" Is that binding or considered a check only?
One player called the floor questioning if that was an angle shoot.
Thoughts?

Not binding, table talk. Check only.

Anyone who calls the floor over that is a dolt and a nit who needs to go back to miserable NL to watch paint dry. Shame them. Behavior like this isn’t tolerated at a good PLO game.

Finished your post for you.

Anyone who plays in a PLO game that runs around the same regs is a dope. That is especially so here, at the nearby property, and at TR where some of the cheaters migrated years ago.

Do you play PLO?

Can you expand on your post?

Yes, I play PLO. No I don't play in shady games.

The collusion at PLO is eastern CT is sort of an open secret and needs no embellishment from me.

I can see some soft play and passive play… this sort of thing happens in any game in eastern act when you have old passive regs who’ve played w each other for years. I even started a thread on soft play.

But I’m not sure there’s outright collusion whipsaw or team poker.

Again I’ll ask what you have seen and who did it?

Its rigged bro trust me

Sorry youre not winning at PLO.

Agree with Ethics that this simply isn’t a real problem. Soft play amongst friendly regs in a HU pot does not equal shadiness/collusion. If stuff like that bothers you then PLO simply isn’t for you and you can go be miserable at NL where you belong.

I see two of your posts here just on this page about NL being boring, and like watching paint dry. I've never played live or PLO. Only online NL but I'm located near Monticello and can obviously get to Mohegan Sun easily, too. With how popular PLO has become lately, with things like double board bomb pots, etc, I'm going to spend some time learning and playing it alongside NL.

What is so much better about PLO than NL in your opinion? I've heard that the variance/swings are considerably greater in PLO. Is that one of the things that you like about it? Is it, in general, a more profitable game than NL?

Thanks

It’s a more fun and gambling game where not everyone takes themselves so seriously. It’s always the best game in the room as far as action and atmosphere. You want to sit around in silence and watch regs seat changing the fish and table hopping all night with their backpacks and headphones? Then stay at NL. Otherwise we welcome you to the great game brother.

Most people who are playing poker aren't playing to make a profit. These people divide themselves in two categories. One, there are the people that think they are winning players, but aren't. They'll tell you and themselves that they just have bad luck. Then there are those that understand they aren't going to be crushers and just want to gamble. They'll lean towards PLO.

The variance in PLO is an order of magnitude greater than NLHE. That helps with the gambling, but you need a lot of financial resources (bankroll, income) to stay in for months and years. In a lot of places, these games consume themselves as people go on a downswing and run out of money. For the few that survive, the gambling itch drives them to go to higher stakes, where the variance in absolute dollars will eventually overwhelm their resources.

Do you even play at Mohegan? Or are you just chiming in to purposefully dump on PLO? You people really hate fun on this site and it shows.

I've seen it around as long as I've been in the game at all (~10 years). And I've seen countless promotions for it on WPN. I know it's very popular and I see it being played at high stakes with things that I like: Straddle+ante, bomb pots, etc. I'll load it up at micros soon here and start feeling it out.

Looks like they changed the Saturday tournament to $350 every week. Personally, I'm not a fan of that. The field will be smaller every weekend now. I think the move of having it once a month was smart and got people in because they felt it was a "special" event there. The $160 field was always big, and BEYOND soft.

it also makes it take forever for cash tables to open on Saturday, which is the best day of the week there

they just never do anything right

schedule a 600 or something, forget these 350s

Run a $550 like Foxwoods used to on Saturdays back in the hey day. Start it nice and early so it can start breaking


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this is by far the dumbest thing posted so far this year

it is 100% cheating, sandwich raising a 3rd player out then checking down is the textbook definition of collusion

your over the top defense must mean you are one of the offenders

Action player steamrolled table!

IMO majority of PLO is shifting from FW to Mohegan. With 1-2 games running daily and few times a week 3 games.

Last Saturday 1 of the regular action players absolutely crush the game. Looked like he had 25K in front of him, winning almost every pot.
Is that a record for capped games?
Does he always run hot?

I was on the MM but every 3 minutes I saw him shoveling 100's and then scooping them back up.
One of the wildest heaters I've seen in the last 10 years. Players buying in North to try to stack him, but he couldn't miss.

Another player went as far of accusing Stating he receives special treatment.

Not even sure how that's possible, but the 2/5 PLO @ Mohegan is by far best game in the state lately.

So anyone have a report on the first two weekends of the new Saturday tournament?

Mohegan Sun had the worst tournament fields for years and then I stopped playing there. I once played in like a $250 tournament that paid 18 players and we got down to 17 I was short stack with like 9 blinds (I had just lost AK vs AJ all in pre-flop) and the two chip leaders asked if we wanted to chop evenly 17 ways. All of the other players had less than 20 blinds so we chopped it. Seriously.

I will be going on March 2nd and the reason I will be there is that Foxwoods has a Friday tournament and their regular Sunday tournament. But even moving forward given that Foxwoods Sunday tournament is every week it is a very smart idea by management. Will it work though? Depends on how they handle their tournaments now (see below)

They may go for a big tourney once a month but they are raising it from a $160 to $350 so its a shot to have bigger tournies.

The reason I stopped playing in tournaments at Mohegan Sun (MS) around 2016 was because this happened:

They had a $300 tournament and you started with 15,000 chips and 30 minute levels (I think). There were 9 tables at the start. Then about 15 to 30 minutes later they filled a tenth table with new entries and started it up. But the problem was they gave every player 20,000 chips. I found this out because a regular at Foxwoods (FW) bounced and went to the cage to buy back in and was given 15,000 chips. Which he complained to the Floor about, and found out that all the other tables had started with 15,000. The Floor said they would look into it. My buddy passed my table and told me the story. So I went up to the Floor about 10 minutes later to find out what was going to be done about it. I was told that the Floor hadn't yet looked into it. Seriously. But they were going to.

So about 10 minutes later I bounced and went up the Floor and asked what they found out. They still hadn't gone to review the Video. Then I asked what would happen if they found out that Table 10 did start everybody with 20,000 chips. And I was told they didn't know. They were going to the video room right then and would be back in 5 minutes. I waited 5 minutes and no sign of the Floor so I walked across the casino to the Gaming Commission.

I filed an account of what had happened and the Secretary who was there told me her boss (the head of the commission) was off that day but she would try to get in touch. She didn't know anything about poker so she didn't know what would be done if it was true. I got back to the poker room and the Floor still wasn't back so I bought into a cash game because no way I was going to buy in for 15,000 chips and be up against players who started with 20,000 chips.

The Floor came back and indeed they had started with 20,000 chips at Table 10 but the Floor still hadn't been apprised of what was to be done. The Floor offered me a food coupon (to stop my emotional tirade I would guess) but I declined it and said I would take it only if they offered it to every player who had bought in for 15,000 chips. Which was a mere pittance because the correct amount of money to give players would be about $100 each because 5,000 chips is 33% of our starting stack.

The final decision was to do nothing. That's right. Nothing. The Gaming Commissioner had ruled on it and I was told he had spoken with the head of the poker room (who wasn't there but was a friend) and was told that would be the best plan. Now there were many possible solutions to make it right. Like giving all the players at Table 1 through 9 an extra 5,000 chips. Or reducing the stacks of all players at Table 10 by 25%. Or removing 5,000 chips from each player (eliminating some possibly...). Giving back all Table 10 players their buy-in and allowing them to re-enter for 15,000 chips. But yes they decided on none of that.

So I didn't go back for about a year and a half. I went back to see if they had corrected things. Like announcing the chip stack size at the beginning of each tournament so all dealers would hear it. Or have a Floor walk over to each table as it started up and verify with the dealers that chip stacks were correct. And especially never starting a new table with only late entrants. Move some players from the other tables because guess what? They will immediately know if people are getting too many chips. But incredibly they did nothing to make sure starting stacks were the same at all tables. I then talked to a Floor who had been a dealer at FW. And he had never been told about what had happened. So I haven't been back since.

But I am going on March 2nd. My guess is that the Floors will not have been told about that fiasco or how to make sure it doesn't happen again. Which in reality is very very unlikely. But my problem with the room isn't about preventing this specifically but it's about how they aren't willing to stand up for the players and defend them when the room makes a mistake and instead are only looking at their profit.

Still the field should be awful. So there's that.

^That’s outrageous but doesn’t come as a surprise. They are awful at running tourneys there and have been for years.

Floors are notoriously terrible there as well. Bad attitudes. Pointless must moves for 2/5 when they have four games open and a list. Favoritism with sh** regs. I could go on.

Btw this new policy they have in tourneys where re-entrants get priority over late entries is completely mental. You can drive all the way there and plan to enter late and get locked out from entering because someone who already dusted it gets to skip the alternate line. It’s so backwards and bad for business it makes my head spin. It’s also a complete cluster and creates unnecessary work (much like the pointless must move system at 2/5).