This is exactly why I am 100% comfortable playing PLO live in a mixed game. I know what hands to play and the relative hand strengths based upon boards...I just have never actually played the game.

And nix tonight as well...sorry FP . I have a "shipment" to deal with tonight. Draw your own conclusions .

yeah I agree 1/2 PLO is fun Im not an expert, and the times I have played in a live setting it isnt like most players are even playing that badly all things considered. 1/2 NLH/PLO would be way better IMO

I'm just wondering why everyone seems to think that if you play this game there is going to be "fish donating." You (the proverbial you), are the fish. Overplaying draws? Going nuts with AAxx suited? This is pretty standard stuff I see whenever I play online or whenever I've sweat PLO live. There certainly aren't going to be any Phil Galfond's at the live 1/2 PLO tables, meaning it's just going to be about who gets there and who doesn't get coolered.

yeah a mixed game would obviously be ideal.

i admit that when I play PLO it takes me a long time to make decisions and figure out what's going on in a hand so it would definitely be a much slower game.

From what I see sweating PLO, people overplay sets on straightboards, straights on flushboards, and draws on paired boards, among other things. They also are willing to invest the pot with a low complete draw and are willing to voluntarily put money into the pot as long as the hand has some sort of "potential".

But tomorrow, as soon as I enter the room, "PAT" is going up on that list...and if I see any easily-influenced regs, I will get them to put their initials on it, too . What limits will the game be? I'd do 1/2 for both, or 2/5 NL - 1/2 PLO.

multi-way PLO is a big gambooool, imo

ps, I will probably be there tomorrow

I think I might actually be able to make it tomorrow after work for a late-night session. I'll jump in that mix game just to meet some of you...

anyone down for a getting a low limit 8-game mixed going?

What? The skill level of NL5 online > NL 1/2 live. If a similar trend exist for PLO then there will be a ton of super fish playing it.

You can have a very high winrate playing PLO5 or PLO10 online without being very good at it.

not really at the 1/2 level people who are really clueless dont even know what PLO is or how to play it so yeah there is bad play but its not like amazing or anything.

150 O/U FOR THE 15K G FRI @2?

I'll take the under

ok, Im down for a NL/PLO game I'd rather play the horse game but all this talk about a 5/10 limit game maybe we can make a 5/10 badugi happen I'll be down tommorow so lets get something good going...

Yeah mohegans officially spreading badugi games now got their little poker room news in the mail the other day.

My bad yo, I may have started it when I was crackin on IWSJ. TBH if I sat at that game today, I would be one of the worst players.

So nobody else is going tonight?

ok, all this talk about PLO I think I need to chime in there won't be really any fish in the game the true fish play 2/4 limit or 1-5 stud. So I have played in the 1/2 game at foxwoods a few times I've played a 5/5 game which was interesting but to say they would be a table full of fish is crazy most playing would atleast have some clue. I would love to get a mixed game going on fri eve

PLO is a high variance game but I also think that it is a game where skill level matters alot more than NL.

OK, Here's the latest Mohegan screwed up ruling #378.

Was playing the 7.50 - 15 HORSE game for like 4 hours with mostly new players. Everyone coming to table posted their blinds in the holdem/Omaha rounds. One new player sat down mentioned new players didn't have to post
and dealer/players said he did. Game goes on for another hour more new players arrive everyone posts. NO problem.

Then a couple of the regulars who always play the game show up and make a big scene that their is a rule that new players don't have to post. players at table complain. Floor called (Bald guy with beard looks like Ben Stiller in Dodgeball) says ya some unposted rule that the dealers don't even know about says they don't have to post. Arguing follows , floor is told everyone else has posted, no signs on table or anywhere say this rule. Floor says rule helps get game going, gets new players in game. DUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH how is rule going to get new players if it's not posted. No one knows. not even dealers.

Most all the players who were at table get discusted and walk out, leaving the regulars who showed up at table with like 4 total players.

I leave too as the times I've played it I've always posted and never heard of rule before. (why would I let someone come into a game and take a shot at my money for FREE when I've paid my blinds.

So anyway I've been shaking my head ever sence at another stupid Mohegan rule/decision.

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

(and it was a good game before the regulars showed up)

Why do you say that?

Phew, finally back from the shipment...missing FP again is a bitter pill .

But yeah, I am inclined to disagree based solely upon the mechanics of PLO versus NL. In NL, you have the ability to extract value on all streets while being a sizable favorite and control the pot when you are middling with your opponent's range.

In PLO, it seems like the opponents are always "in the hand" from a range perspective and controlling the pot may in actuality allow them to back into better hands with higher regularity.

But I have never played PLO--this is just an impression I have always had of the game in terms of "skill vs. luck". A lot of the skill in NL is derived from betting, position, and reading hand ranges, and in Omaha, it seems like all 3 are compromised to an extent.

Nope! Go tomorrow!

It's still way easy to crush live PLO as it is NLHE, if not easier. I do agree though that there are a lot of 'regfish' who are people that figure since they're decent at NLHE and know what a wrap is they'll be able to crush right away, which is a woefully incorrect assumption.

Although it sort of sounds like you don't really know what you're talking about in regards to the mechanics of PLO, though that might be presumptious of me. There's more complexity to the game than just getting it in.

I am not going to get into a deep, drawn out explanation but what you said is basically, in a nutshell why skill prevails in the end in PLO.
Inexperienced players chase everything, bad straight draws, 10 high flush draws, thinking bottom set is good when facing lots of heat, overvalueing big pairs. They play it like NL with 2 extra cards. People "draw out: on your 1 and 2 pr hands that are basically worthless in PLO. If you have 2 pr with no redraws, your hand sucks but inexperienced players do not know this.

You said it so much better than I.