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08-22-2016 , 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by The Apex
There's a $20 add on for the freeroll?
ya, it's just tips for the dealers. It doesn't go to the prize pool i don't think

I think you get 5000 chips
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08-22-2016 , 04:36 PM
Starting stack 10K
Staff add-on 5K for $20
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08-22-2016 , 09:55 PM
I registered for the freeroll today. The guy in line in front of me selected Tuesday afternoon and was 25th on the alternate list. I picked Thursday evening and I'm the 27th alternate. The supervisor adding up to the list said they were all about the same number of alternates for each starting time.
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08-23-2016 , 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by AngusThermopyle
Mike,

1. How long are you going to leave initial stacks on the table if the player does not show up? Until it is blinded off?

2. Staff $20 add-on: If I am registered but arrive late, I can take the add-on but I must do it (ie inform the dealer) before I am dealt in for my first hand at the table, correct?

3. Similarly for alternates: they should tell the dealer upon sitting down, correct?
1. Hopefully not a decision we have to make, but I think we blind them off.

2. This is correct

3. Actually, the alternates will get their chips from the registration stand when they are called and will be asked at the that time if they want the add-on.

Thanks

Mike
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08-23-2016 , 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike Smith
1. Hopefully not a decision we have to make, but I think we blind them off.

2. This is correct

3. Actually, the alternates will get their chips from the registration stand when they are called and will be asked at the that time if they want the add-on.

Thanks

Mike
Mike,

Assuming 30 hands per hour, if you blind off the no shows, given the structure of this tournament, that won't happen until level 11 is reached. And level 11 won't occur until after 3 hours and 35 minutes have transpired, taking into account the 15 minute break after level 6.

I play in a daily tournament at APT, and for the no shows, the stacks are played for 30 minutes. Then the no shows are removed. Now I understand that online is different, and given the traffic conditions around here, it seems reasonable to me that the no shows are removed one hour after the start of the tournament. This would enable the alternates to join in with a "reasonable" number of big blinds remaining.
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08-23-2016 , 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by ThomAce
Mike,

Assuming 30 hands per hour, if you blind off the no shows, given the structure of this tournament, that won't happen until level 11 is reached. And level 11 won't occur until after 3 hours and 35 minutes have transpired, taking into account the 15 minute break after level 6.

I play in a daily tournament at APT, and for the no shows, the stacks are played for 30 minutes. Then the no shows are removed. Now I understand that online is different, and given the traffic conditions around here, it seems reasonable to me that the no shows are removed one hour after the start of the tournament. This would enable the alternates to join in with a "reasonable" number of big blinds remaining.
Check your math....30 hands per hour distributed evenly and you would run out in the BB of level 9. But your point remains. NOTE: I think you included the add on which of course would not happen for a no show. Starting stack is 10k
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08-23-2016 , 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Hunt4Sky
Check your math....30 hands per hour distributed evenly and you would run out in the BB of level 9. But your point remains. NOTE: I think you included the add on which of course would not happen for a no show. Starting stack is 10k

Maybe remove them at the first break (end of level 6)? That will give late arrivers fair time to get to their seats, which they earned and had the foresight to grab early, and it will give the 15 minute break to get the stacks removed and the people on the wait list into the game. Not sure one hour is quite enough with DC traffic like it is. I know I'd be upset if I got caught in a traffic jam and showed up an hour in to find my seat removed. Two hours would seem to be a me a more fair way to approach things.

shju2
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08-24-2016 , 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Hunt4Sky
Check your math....30 hands per hour distributed evenly and you would run out in the BB of level 9. But your point remains. NOTE: I think you included the add on which of course would not happen for a no show. Starting stack is 10k
My mistake was forgetting to include the antes, but I still don't agree with your result. Again, assuming 30 hands per hour, even distribution, a full table of 10 at all times, and a starting stack of $10,000: thru level 3, a total of $525 would be removed from the stack. After level 6, the total would be $2625, and after level 9, the total is $7425. After level 10, $10,025 needed would bust the stack. This still comes out to approximately 3 hours and 35 minutes, way too long in my opinion to leave the no show stacks on the tables if you want to give the alternates a decent chance. Entering at level 11 leaves only 7.5 BBs to play with if you include the dealer add-on.
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08-24-2016 , 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by ThomAce
My mistake was forgetting to include the antes, but I still don't agree with your result. Again, assuming 30 hands per hour, even distribution, a full table of 10 at all times, and a starting stack of $10,000: thru level 3, a total of $525 would be removed from the stack. After level 6, the total would be $2625, and after level 9, the total is $7425. After level 10, $10,025 needed would bust the stack. This still comes out to approximately 3 hours and 35 minutes, way too long in my opinion to leave the no show stacks on the tables if you want to give the alternates a decent chance. Entering at level 11 leaves only 7.5 BBs to play with if you include the dealer add-on.
L1: 75 = 75
L2: 150 = 225
L3: 300 = 525
L4: 700 = 1225
L5: 1100 = 2325
L6: 1650 = 3975
L7: 2200 = 6175
L8: 2500 = 8675
L9: 2800 = BUSTO
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08-24-2016 , 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Hunt4Sky
L1: 75 = 75
L2: 150 = 225
L3: 300 = 525
L4: 700 = 1225
L5: 1100 = 2325
L6: 1650 = 3975
L7: 2200 = 6175
L8: 2500 = 8675
L9: 2800 = BUSTO
The problem is that we are using different structures. I am using the structure on the $250,000 Anniversary Freeroll sheet that Maryland LIVE passed out. It also agrees with the structure posted on their website. And there is nothing on the sheet that says the Day 2 structure will be different than the flights. Here is the structure:


L1: 75 = 75
L2: 150 = 225
L3: 300 = 525
L4: 475 = 1000
L5: 650 = 1650
L6: 975 = 2625
L7: 1300 = 3925
L8: 1600 = 5525
L9: 1900 = 7425
L10: 2600 = 10,025 (BUSTO)

What structure are you using?
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08-24-2016 , 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by ThomAce
The problem is that we are using different structures. I am using the structure on the $250,000 Anniversary Freeroll sheet that Maryland LIVE passed out. It also agrees with the structure posted on their website. And there is nothing on the sheet that says the Day 2 structure will be different than the flights. Here is the structure:


L1: 75 = 75
L2: 150 = 225
L3: 300 = 525
L4: 475 = 1000
L5: 650 = 1650
L6: 975 = 2625
L7: 1300 = 3925
L8: 1600 = 5525
L9: 1900 = 7425
L10: 2600 = 10,025 (BUSTO)

What structure are you using?
https://www.marylandlivecasino.com/a...-MTT-Flier.pdf

Same one you are but you are forgetting to count your antes for every hand x10 per orbit.

Last edited by Hunt4Sky; 08-24-2016 at 03:25 PM. Reason: changed link
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08-25-2016 , 06:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Hunt4Sky
https://www.marylandlivecasino.com/a...-MTT-Flier.pdf

Same one you are but you are forgetting to count your antes for every hand x10 per orbit.
Yes, you are correct. I only counted them once. Gosh, I hate antes while I'm playing, even more now.
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08-25-2016 , 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by ThomAce
Yes, you are correct. I only counted them once. Gosh, I hate antes while I'm playing, even more now.
Lol. Perhaps you should stick with cash games then. Some tournaments already go forever, even when the action is driven by increasing blinds and antes.
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08-27-2016 , 12:09 AM
what free stuff did md live poker give away for this year's anniversary?
last year it was a nice card protector that said 'Second anniversary August 2015' on it
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08-27-2016 , 06:45 AM
I moved in the middle of June and I've been playing ~twice a week since then, so keep in mind that my sample size is very limited, but does anybody else notice an epidemic of burying big chips? Whether it's tournaments or cash, I'm constantly having to ask for stack sizes because the biggest chips are seemingly always on the bottom of stacks. Yesterday I made a point to look around and I had literally the only black chip on my 1-2 table not stuck at the bottom of a stack of reds, and I've never seen a dealer correct such a situation without being asked to.

Am I looking at confirmation bias or is this actually more wide spread at Live than in other markets?
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08-27-2016 , 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by JeffroSTL
I moved in the middle of June and I've been playing ~twice a week since then, so keep in mind that my sample size is very limited, but does anybody else notice an epidemic of burying big chips? Whether it's tournaments or cash, I'm constantly having to ask for stack sizes because the biggest chips are seemingly always on the bottom of stacks. Yesterday I made a point to look around and I had literally the only black chip on my 1-2 table not stuck at the bottom of a stack of reds, and I've never seen a dealer correct such a situation without being asked to.

Am I looking at confirmation bias or is this actually more wide spread at Live than in other markets?
I've noticed it more at MDL than at other places, but it's been a couple years since I've played regularly anywhere else. So it's possible that it's a growing trend across live poker generally.

Be assertive about it when you see it to make sure it's corrected. It would be nice if the dealers were on the lookout for it too.
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08-27-2016 , 09:38 AM
It definitely is a regular issue at MDL. For repeat offenders who have been asked before I'll usually say something like "how many big chips are you hiding this time" when I want to see their stack. Helps them understand that they're being problematic.

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08-27-2016 , 10:50 AM
Confident and assertive is great and all, but it certainly has a negative impact on table image because in the eyes of the offenders, especially if you're young-ish, you look nitty and whiny. Would be nice if the dealers would be proactive about it.
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08-27-2016 , 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by JeffroSTL
Confident and assertive is great and all, but it certainly has a negative impact on table image because in the eyes of the offenders, especially if you're young-ish, you look nitty and whiny. Would be nice if the dealers would be proactive about it.
The problem with relying on dealers to catch this issue is even good dealers will miss it. It's OK if someone who is angleshooting--even if it's unintentional--thinks you're "nitty and whiny" if it means that someone doesn't get screwed by that player later.
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08-27-2016 , 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by JeffroSTL
Confident and assertive is great and all, but it certainly has a negative impact on table image because in the eyes of the offenders, especially if you're young-ish, you look nitty and whiny. Would be nice if the dealers would be proactive about it.
I understand where you are coming from with the whiny/ nitty complaints but it does effect the integrity of the game so don't feel bad about speaking up, if you notice bad behavior. Last thing you want is to have to call an extra 100 when someone shoves their chips AI and in a pile.
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08-27-2016 , 11:38 AM
If you don't want to do it just find the nearest supervisor.
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08-27-2016 , 11:39 AM
Yeah, my problem is not that I necessarily mind doing it, but more that dealers don't seem remotely interested in preventing it.
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08-27-2016 , 12:02 PM
Ive never once had a dealer not ask someone to put big chips in front after asking him to tell a player.

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08-27-2016 , 01:51 PM
I wish black chips didn't play (in 1/2). Even if they're out front greens are almost always at the bottom of a stack of reds. I hear them a announce big chips on top and out front in tournaments all the time but standard practice for cash seems to be green and black on the bottom.
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08-27-2016 , 02:50 PM
Having big chips at the bottom of stacks really isn't an issue imo. If you can't see clearly what/how many they have you at least know to ask. The problem is when people have a whole stack of green behind 5 stacks of red.

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