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08-30-2015 , 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by repulse
Thanks, Mike. Such a silly regulatory change, drop me a PM if this is the sort of thing where the commission hearing from players might matter, I'm happy to write a letter.
Can't hurt
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08-30-2015 , 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike Smith
The game will be 5-5 to avoid confusion with the 2/5 game. My bet is it won't be as popular as some think. Most of the 2/5 players will stay where they are to be JP eligible.

Thanks

Mike
The communication is appreciated. Thanks for the clarification.

I was thinking of the dilution effect on the 2-5 pool, but may be more of an issue with 5-10. Time will tell.
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08-30-2015 , 01:20 PM
New 5/5 time rake is $ 7? Also, can u transfer from a 2/5 to 5/5 or 2/5 to 2/5 only? Bring the whole stack or buy-in 1K max if transferring from 2/5 to 5/5? So what's the min buy-in for the new 5/5? $ 500 or 200?

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08-30-2015 , 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by VTJon
I straddled and raised in that game last weekend and I thought somebody was going to die from shock. This is of course after I got a lecture from granny.

I've played in this game many times but last weekend was the most miserable it has ever been. I had to give up and play PLO even though I prefer limit.

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Not sure which would upset them more, the straddle raise or when you bet to the river with little more than a pair and third nut low. However action like that actually builds a pot.
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08-30-2015 , 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by 2/5_specialist
New 5/5 time rake is $ 7? Also, can u transfer from a 2/5 to 5/5 or 2/5 to 2/5 only? Bring the whole stack or buy-in 1K max if transferring from 2/5 to 5/5? So what's the min buy-in for the new 5/5? $ 500 or 200?
Per his earlier post 200 is the min, I would assume that as a separate game that it would still cap at 1k for 5/5 and 500 for 2/5...wouldn't seem logically consistent otherwise

Thanks again, Mike whatever the outcome it's nice that players are being having their opinions heard
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08-30-2015 , 04:03 PM
Does the perfume they pump through the vents bother anyone else? Drives me nuts, I'd rather endure the e cigs
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08-30-2015 , 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by TAFFYMAN
Does the perfume they pump through the vents bother anyone else? Drives me nuts, I'd rather endure the e cigs
I've never noticed it, so if there's actually air freshener then no it doesn't bother me.
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08-30-2015 , 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike Smith
The game will be 5-5 to avoid confusion with the 2/5 game. My bet is it won't be as popular as some think. Most of the 2/5 players will stay where they are to be JP eligible.

Thanks

Mike
:thumbsup: for making it 5/5 to avoid confusion.

im betting most 2/5 players will stay because they believe the min buy-in will be $500 for 5/5. (100x the small blind like in 1/2 and 2/5.)

unless you have the board say 5/5 nl ($200min)?

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08-30-2015 , 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted by kimoser22
Per his earlier post 200 is the min, I would assume that as a separate game that it would still cap at 1k for 5/5 and 500 for 2/5...
wouldn't seem logically consistent otherwise
mike increased the max for 2/5 to $600 (300x small blind).

hm.. the max at 1/2 is $300 (300x small blind).
shouldn't the max for 5/5 be $1500 (300x small blind)?

Mike, how about being consistent?
timed 5/5nl $500 min, $1500 max (kidding!)

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08-31-2015 , 02:31 AM
Does Live have an RV parking lot? I was wondering what you guys do when you get tired at the table? I hate driving all the way home - I live an hour away but with traffic it can take 2 hours.

They don't allow sleeping in your car and getting a hotel for a 3 hour nap seems ridiculous. I was thinking of maybe driving a van or getting an RV and napping in there.


I was playing a 10 hour session yesterday and noticed I started making some mistakes due to being tired so I decided to rack it up and call it a day. Any one have any tricks I can use to take a nap and than come back more refreshed?


How do some of you guys do those super long 2 day sessions.
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08-31-2015 , 03:03 AM
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Originally Posted by djevans
Does Live have an RV parking lot? I was wondering what you guys do when you get tired at the table? I hate driving all the way home - I live an hour away but with traffic it can take 2 hours.

They don't allow sleeping in your car and getting a hotel for a 3 hour nap seems ridiculous. I was thinking of maybe driving a van or getting an RV and napping in there.


I was playing a 10 hour session yesterday and noticed I started making some mistakes due to being tired so I decided to rack it up and call it a day. Any one have any tricks I can use to take a nap and than come back more refreshed?


How do some of you guys do those super long 2 day sessions.
1hr to go home = 60miles?
120miles round trip?

if so, then it's like $0.60/mile if you include gas/wear + tear/depreciation, according to the IRS car miles deduction.
.60 x 120 = $72

paying for a hotel for a nite would cost about the same as driving back the next day, if you believe the IRS estimate.
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08-31-2015 , 04:17 AM
Currently making my first ever trip to Maryland. Been playing at Live for the last few days.

My initial impressions:
The poker action is as great as I'd heard, but I was shocked to see it's like the wild wild west in here. There is no semblance of players following the rules. They're constantly acting out of turn, talking about the hand in progress, hiding big chips, angle-shooting, etc. And what's worst of all is that the dealers seem to have given up any hope of attempting to control the game. They just let players act however they want. And the dealers themselves (not all of them, obviously, but a large portion) are terrible. So many mistakes due to lack of caring or paying attention. A bunch of times I've had to correct dealers who didn't count down a call (that was short) or who were about to burn and turn prematurely, etc. And when they make a significant mistake, they try to cover it up as best they can and move on without calling the floor and drawing attention to their own mistake. I'm really amazed that one of the juiciest rooms in the country is also one of the most terribly staffed. And everyone (clientele, not staff) is so damn mean to each other. I'm from the south and I guess I've been taking southern hospitality for granted. Players are regularly insulting and threatening each other. It's really sad, IMO.

All that being said, I still think this is an amazing poker room simply due to the volume of games, the deep pockets of the player pool, and the percentage of fish in the games. I look forward to playing here as much as possible.

One more thing: It's weird to hear dealers constantly yelling "supervisor" instead of "floor."
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08-31-2015 , 04:57 AM
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Originally Posted by AA Suited
1hr to go home = 60miles?
120miles round trip?

if so, then it's like $0.60/mile if you include gas/wear + tear/depreciation, according to the IRS car miles deduction.
.60 x 120 = $72

paying for a hotel for a nite would cost about the same as driving back the next day, if you believe the IRS estimate.
ya but could keep it up there for a few days. And where are these $72 hotels??
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08-31-2015 , 07:54 AM
Parx introduced some sort of separate Deep $2/$5 option with a $1k buyin in 2011ish, may be fuzzy on the details, and as a player there at the time of both $2/$5 and $10/$10, I remember being excited to try these, but the Deep $2/$5 tables always seemed to attract much tougher lineups, to the extent where my hourly was definitely better at the non-deep despite being a strong deepstacked player. And there, there wasn't even a BBJ at the time, so there was no jackpot eligibility gap.

I think it's an option worth Maryland Live offering, but don't be surprised when the Deep $2/$5 game has 400% as many 2+2ers on average as the regular $2/$5.
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08-31-2015 , 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by djevans
Does Live have an RV parking lot? I was wondering what you guys do when you get tired at the table? I hate driving all the way home - I live an hour away but with traffic it can take 2 hours.

They don't allow sleeping in your car and getting a hotel for a 3 hour nap seems ridiculous. I was thinking of maybe driving a van or getting an RV and napping in there.


I was playing a 10 hour session yesterday and noticed I started making some mistakes due to being tired so I decided to rack it up and call it a day. Any one have any tricks I can use to take a nap and than come back more refreshed?


How do some of you guys do those super long 2 day sessions.
I put in 14 to 16 hrs every Sat. and tend to leave around 2 AM. There's hardly any traffic on 95 South which you could do 65 to 75 MPH and by the time you get to the local roads , all traffic lights are blinking after 1 AM.
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08-31-2015 , 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by djevans
Does Live have an RV parking lot? ...
Walmart may or may not let you park for one night with an RV. Call them.

More info:
http://www.allstays.com/c/Walmart/MD...-Mart-3490.htm

youtube review of walmart rv parking
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heh-KyvfL54
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08-31-2015 , 08:59 AM
You could park your RV in the Walmart parking lot.
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08-31-2015 , 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by djevans
ya but could keep it up there for a few days. And where are these $72 hotels??
Elkridge...Econo Lodge, White Elk Motel, Tip Top Motor Court, Terrace Motel, Exec Motel.

Come to think of it, you could probably get a good hourly rate at most of these for a 4 or 5 hour nap.

BYObedbugspray obv.
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08-31-2015 , 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by djevans
Does Live have an RV parking lot? I was wondering what you guys do when you get tired at the table? I hate driving all the way home - I live an hour away but with traffic it can take 2 hours.

They don't allow sleeping in your car and getting a hotel for a 3 hour nap seems ridiculous. I was thinking of maybe driving a van or getting an RV and napping in there.


I was playing a 10 hour session yesterday and noticed I started making some mistakes due to being tired so I decided to rack it up and call it a day. Any one have any tricks I can use to take a nap and than come back more refreshed?


How do some of you guys do those super long 2 day sessions.
Casinos love that you're too degen to leave, so you're not gonna get bothered if you discretely go for the nap in the back of a van move. For your safety you want to be set up such that someone peeking in can't see you (shades, whatev)

Walmart is right there. Just check it out at 2am, if you see others doing it, you're good to go.

Priceline name your own price often works wonders, especially on the weekends, even fairly last minute.
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08-31-2015 , 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Rod the Bod
Currently making my first ever trip to Maryland. Been playing at Live for the last few days.

My initial impressions:
The poker action is as great as I'd heard, but I was shocked to see it's like the wild wild west in here. There is no semblance of players following the rules. They're constantly acting out of turn, talking about the hand in progress, hiding big chips, angle-shooting, etc. And what's worst of all is that the dealers seem to have given up any hope of attempting to control the game. They just let players act however they want. And the dealers themselves (not all of them, obviously, but a large portion) are terrible. So many mistakes due to lack of caring or paying attention. A bunch of times I've had to correct dealers who didn't count down a call (that was short) or who were about to burn and turn prematurely, etc. And when they make a significant mistake, they try to cover it up as best they can and move on without calling the floor and drawing attention to their own mistake. I'm really amazed that one of the juiciest rooms in the country is also one of the most terribly staffed. And everyone (clientele, not staff) is so damn mean to each other. I'm from the south and I guess I've been taking southern hospitality for granted. Players are regularly insulting and threatening each other. It's really sad, IMO.

All that being said, I still think this is an amazing poker room simply due to the volume of games, the deep pockets of the player pool, and the percentage of fish in the games. I look forward to playing here as much as possible.

One more thing: It's weird to hear dealers constantly yelling "supervisor" instead of "floor."
Where do you usually play? Mdl is a well run room with an exceptional dealer pool and floor staff. (I play in many rooms, but never lv or ac)

With possible exception of parx, Mdl is o/w as good or better run than the other 25+ rooms I've played. (parx more formal/professional, Mdl friendlier imo)

I wouldn't put mdl at the top of the angle list either.

Curious about your comparison group...
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08-31-2015 , 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by repulse
Parx introduced some sort of separate Deep $2/$5 option with a $1k buyin in 2011ish, may be fuzzy on the details, and as a player there at the time of both $2/$5 and $10/$10, I remember being excited to try these, but the Deep $2/$5 tables always seemed to attract much tougher lineups, to the extent where my hourly was definitely better at the non-deep despite being a strong deepstacked player. And there, there wasn't even a BBJ at the time, so there was no jackpot eligibility gap.

I think it's an option worth Maryland Live offering, but don't be surprised when the Deep $2/$5 game has 400% as many 2+2ers on average as the regular $2/$5.
For at least a few years now, parx has just one 2-5 offering (1000 max)
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08-31-2015 , 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by suited fours
Casinos love that you're too degen to leave, so you're not gonna get bothered if you discretely go for the nap in the back of a van move. For your safety you want to be set up such that someone peeking in can't see you (shades, whatev)
recline your car seat all the way down such that no part of your body can be seen by a passing security guard on a Segway.
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08-31-2015 , 05:08 PM
I used to sleep many nights in my truck in the borgata parking garage. Hang some shirts on hangers covering up your back windows and lay down in the backseat (bring pillow and blanket)
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08-31-2015 , 06:07 PM
Supervisors need to chill with the fake noise complaints. This isn't a library. If someone is harrassing/fighting with others that's one thing but if they are geuninely having a good time and inducing action that's good for the room and good for the game. One notable action player pledged to take his action to Horseshoe from now on today. Other regulars are just as loud as him and usually malicious when he is not.
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09-01-2015 , 05:42 AM
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Originally Posted by suited fours
Where do you usually play? Mdl is a well run room with an exceptional dealer pool and floor staff. (I play in many rooms, but never lv or ac)

With possible exception of parx, Mdl is o/w as good or better run than the other 25+ rooms I've played. (parx more formal/professional, Mdl friendlier imo)

I wouldn't put mdl at the top of the angle list either.

Curious about your comparison group...
I've never played in LV or AC either. 90% of my play over the years has been at the Beau Rivage in Biloxi (several years ago) and Bestbet Jacksonville (more recently). Both were miles ahead of what I've experienced so far at Maryland Live. Keep in mind, I'm just talking about player behavior and dealer/floor apathy here. Definitely not referring to the poker itself, which is probably the best I've been around.

My first day playing here was Thursday. In the 5 days since, I've witnessed:

Dealers routinely making no effort to inform the person who's action it is (who's clearly unaware) that it's their turn to act. Another player always has to do it.

Once a dealer was in the middle of a premature burn and turn. I yelled to stop him, but the next card had already flashed. My opponent then called the all in bet, and the dealer proceeded to quickly turn that same card put out a river. When I was like "hold up, that card flashed already," he said, "well why didn't you say anything?" I informed him that I assumed he was automatically going to call the floor and shuffle that card back into the deck. Instead he put out the next two cards so fast there was no time to say anything. My hand was good anyway, and my opponent didn't seem to care, so after a brief scuttle with the dealer I let it go.

Dealers trying to push the pot to the wrong player. I've had to speak up to point out the correct reading of hands.

Dealers not saying anything when players act out of turn. Not even a simple, "please wait your turn to act sir."

When 2 or 3 people have acted out of turn and I point out that the action is still on player X, the dealers just say "oh yeah, my bad."

A lot of the time they don't say "thank you" when tipped.

Not knowing where the button's supposed to be. They poll the players to see who was button last. This is common at all rooms but it's even more prevalent here.

Announcing bet sizes incorrectly without counting them.

Players straight up playing music on their phones (with no headphones) and dealers not telling them to turn that **** off.

Once when a player acted out of turn and then wanted to know if they could retract/change their action, the dealer literally said "I don't give a ****."

When they call the floor over, the dealer's incapable of even explaining the situation which warranted their being called over, or leaving out essential information.

Dealers repeatedly yelling "supervisor" while two floor men are standing there talking to each other, not listening and in no hurry at all to acknowledge and tend to the table calling them.

When the late night staff comes to pull the boxes, they actually interrupt the player in seat 1 and ask him to move out of the way so they can get to the box while he's in the middle of a huge pot facing an all in bet.


I might have just been running bad with repeatedly having unlikely situations like these happen over and over here, but it definitely seems like the dealers have been burnt out and no longer care about their job, and the floor only cares about keeping the room full and not enforcing any kind of civility. The professionalism of Bestbet Jacksonville and what I remember of the Beau Rivage were light years ahead of Maryland Live.

I try not to be too hard on dealers because I know they have to put up with a lot of abuse and their job is harder than it looks and I doubt I could do it myself without making routine errors, but it kind of tilts me when I can tell that the dealer gives exactly zero *****.

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