10-24-2012
, 10:13 AM
10-29-2012
, 06:51 AM
10-29-2012
, 08:58 AM
Fox is the only card room I can think of that now allows a pot to be awarded without showing if you call a bet and the other guy insta-mucks. I can sort of understand the reasoning - you called his bet and paid to see his cards; why should you be forced to show the table your cards, when the other guy who's supposed to show first doesn't show?
I don't know how showing is supposed to prevent collusion - I've made big river calls with Jack-high and won, called big river bets with bottom pair and won; sometimes you have a read and you're correct. And to be honest I don't think collusion is -that- rampant in the cash games (although maybe I'm just oblivious?). A far bigger annoyance is the ridiculously blatent soft-playing between the old Italian nits at the Fox.
Not quite the same thing, but last Saturday, two guys in a hand, Player A makes a river bet, Player B called, and Player A throws his cards face down towards the dealer in an obvious muck. Player B then tosses his cards face down in front of him. Dealer grabs Player B's cards into the muck and starts to push the pot towards Player A. As Player B says, 'hey, that's my pot', Player A reaches out and grabs his cards that the dealer hadn't quite grabbed yet. 'My cards aren't in the muck yet, Player B's cards are in the muck, isn't my hand still live'?
Player A wasn't being a dick about it (I don't think he was seriously trying to claim the pot), but it was a weird scenario, and Player B, by not protecting his hand until the pot was pushed, put himself at risk. It wasn't a big pot, but still... Anyway, Floor is called over, and rules that the pot would be awarded to Player B, but Player B was warned to hold on to his cards until the pot was pushed...which is -always- good advice; I'm shocked at how quickly people throw their cards forward the instant the other player in the hand starts to muck.
Couple of interesting hands Saturday night at my table; none of them involving me (fortunately or otherwise). Three players in a hand, flop is K66, two clubs. Action goes check, bet, call, call. Turn is a K, checks around. River is a 9
completing the club flush, board is K66K9. Player 1 says, "oh, whatever" throws out what he thinks is three pounds, not realizing he has two black chips in his hand. He looks on in horror as the dealer arounds, 'Bet is £51' into a pot of like £40.
Player 2 shakes his head, and says, "sorry dude but I have to call" and makes the call, at which point Player 1 throws his cards face up, showing a 9x for two pair. Player 2 starts to show his cards as well, forgetting that Player 3 is still in the hand!
Dealer stops the action, and the floor is called over. Player 1's cards are obviously face up. Player 3 is told he has all options. Player 3 stares at Player 2, and says "I think I saw your card, it was a 9- you have a 9 as well? I have a flush". He smiles, and says, "I call", puts in the £51 and flips over two clubs. At which point Player 2 rolls over a *6*, and he pulls a c. £200 pot looking like the cat that somehow caught the canary; one of the weirder hands I've ever seen.
Biggest pot of the night - I didn't see the flop action, but Player 2 (same dude from above hand) made a fairly big bet, like £60 on the turn, board is 85Q7, don't remember if there was a flush draw or not. Both players over £400 deep. Player 4 makes it like £130 or so, so back to Player 2, pot is over £200, £70-ish to call. Player 2 goes deep, deep deep into the tank, finally calls. River is a 7, so the final board is 85Q77. Player 2 tanks, then checks to Player 4 who insta-ships; Player 2 turbo-calls and flips over pocket 8s for the full house. Player 4 had turned a straight and is now £400+ poorer. Player 2's river check was one of the sickest moves I've seen in a while...I heard Player 4 say that he was going to fold to any bet once the board paired, but I still can't quite figure what his shove was supposed to accomplish...
I don't know how showing is supposed to prevent collusion - I've made big river calls with Jack-high and won, called big river bets with bottom pair and won; sometimes you have a read and you're correct. And to be honest I don't think collusion is -that- rampant in the cash games (although maybe I'm just oblivious?). A far bigger annoyance is the ridiculously blatent soft-playing between the old Italian nits at the Fox.
Not quite the same thing, but last Saturday, two guys in a hand, Player A makes a river bet, Player B called, and Player A throws his cards face down towards the dealer in an obvious muck. Player B then tosses his cards face down in front of him. Dealer grabs Player B's cards into the muck and starts to push the pot towards Player A. As Player B says, 'hey, that's my pot', Player A reaches out and grabs his cards that the dealer hadn't quite grabbed yet. 'My cards aren't in the muck yet, Player B's cards are in the muck, isn't my hand still live'?
Player A wasn't being a dick about it (I don't think he was seriously trying to claim the pot), but it was a weird scenario, and Player B, by not protecting his hand until the pot was pushed, put himself at risk. It wasn't a big pot, but still... Anyway, Floor is called over, and rules that the pot would be awarded to Player B, but Player B was warned to hold on to his cards until the pot was pushed...which is -always- good advice; I'm shocked at how quickly people throw their cards forward the instant the other player in the hand starts to muck.
Couple of interesting hands Saturday night at my table; none of them involving me (fortunately or otherwise). Three players in a hand, flop is K66, two clubs. Action goes check, bet, call, call. Turn is a K, checks around. River is a 9
completing the club flush, board is K66K9. Player 1 says, "oh, whatever" throws out what he thinks is three pounds, not realizing he has two black chips in his hand. He looks on in horror as the dealer arounds, 'Bet is £51' into a pot of like £40.Player 2 shakes his head, and says, "sorry dude but I have to call" and makes the call, at which point Player 1 throws his cards face up, showing a 9x for two pair. Player 2 starts to show his cards as well, forgetting that Player 3 is still in the hand!
Dealer stops the action, and the floor is called over. Player 1's cards are obviously face up. Player 3 is told he has all options. Player 3 stares at Player 2, and says "I think I saw your card, it was a 9- you have a 9 as well? I have a flush". He smiles, and says, "I call", puts in the £51 and flips over two clubs. At which point Player 2 rolls over a *6*, and he pulls a c. £200 pot looking like the cat that somehow caught the canary; one of the weirder hands I've ever seen.
Biggest pot of the night - I didn't see the flop action, but Player 2 (same dude from above hand) made a fairly big bet, like £60 on the turn, board is 85Q7, don't remember if there was a flush draw or not. Both players over £400 deep. Player 4 makes it like £130 or so, so back to Player 2, pot is over £200, £70-ish to call. Player 2 goes deep, deep deep into the tank, finally calls. River is a 7, so the final board is 85Q77. Player 2 tanks, then checks to Player 4 who insta-ships; Player 2 turbo-calls and flips over pocket 8s for the full house. Player 4 had turned a straight and is now £400+ poorer. Player 2's river check was one of the sickest moves I've seen in a while...I heard Player 4 say that he was going to fold to any bet once the board paired, but I still can't quite figure what his shove was supposed to accomplish...
Last edited by Dragon-Ash; 10-29-2012 at 09:24 AM.
10-31-2012
, 04:54 AM
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, 01:06 AM
