I disagree with you, and I think anyone who plays at the casino in the $2/$5 game with regularity would as well. Columbus' poker scene before the casino was strong, so to suggest that the level of play at the beginning was 99% due to the newness is way off base. At best, I would estimate 30% would be newness. But the drop-off has been more severe than the 30% from newness leaving, especially at the $2/$5 level (and even the $1/$2 level).

Particularly telling are the individuals who aren't playing as much as they were, and how the majority of them are on the fishier end of the spectrum. The 100% rule isn't allowing them to book their meager wins as often as a harder set cap would, as the pros/better rec players are correctly matching stacks at every chance they can get in an effort to take as much money from those fishy players as they can in one fell swoop. The net effect is that even on the luckier nights for the fish, they can still be felted in one hand, with a net result of a couple buy-in loss....and that's on their luckier nights. Nights when they don't hit at all, they're still losing multiple buy-ins. And without an occasion win to pad the bank account/psychologically bias their play results, they stop playing as much.

The 100% rule, while good for those who are looking to take as much as they can today and move on tomorrow, isn't good for those based in Columbus who would like to see a long term game survive.

Above and beyond this, though, the 100% rule is bad business for the casino -- they're losing players at a rate higher than they should be allowing, when their goal is to take $6/pot. All the house should be trying to do is maximize people playing while minimizing money lost, so they can continue to take as much rake as possible. When they allow players to bust at the rate they're doing, they're going to see the result in a lower rake from the room as a whole, and if it continues at this rate, could result in the room being lost to more slot machines in the 3-5 year future.

I'm not trying to say I'm overly concerned with the casino's bottom line -- I'm not. I am concerned with the poker room churning enough rake (and only enough rake) to keep it running and not in jeopardy of being closed for more profitably sq footage usage.


And you should be, too.

Have the people in this thread talked to the floor managers and voiced their concerns?

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Sometimes I cringe reading this thread, and then I see a post like Bullwinkles and seeing someone that 'gets it' makes me feel better.

I'm not sure how to address this w/o assuming that you and your poker associates are not winning players? If you aren't thinking ahead and staying ahead of the game, it's hard to beat it consistently.

I have, although not as recently as I'd like. The reasons are: 1) I'm there less - too much other stuff to do, combined with 2/5 running less and less 2) _ _ _ _, the head of the room, is rarely there. I can't remember the last time I saw him 3) One of the supervisors, _ _ _ _, who I knew fairly well, has moved into the pits

On a bright note, last time I brought a direct concern to a supervisor, it was addressed and fixed instantaneously (pausing the clock @ break until all tables have finished hands, ensuring everyone gets a minimum of :10 minutes). I haven't played a MTT in a while, however, so I'm not sure if they are still doing this properly.

Monday night. No 2/5 running. There's a list with 8 names but game won't get off. Staff told me specifically, with no provocation, that its because of a very deep 1/2 game.

Side note and no ability to edit post from iPad. We were just a card away from the BBJ at my $1/2 table. Two shots at it.

Also the deep $1/2 game apparently has its own list.

Oh boy.

Correct. I don't understand how people...

(1) see what happens here and other places with super-deep games,
(2) contrast that with Commerce's goofily low buy-ins and infinite action at all limits or places like Borgata that has a $500 cap on 2/5 and arguably the best action on the east coast; and
(3) still argue for deep games.

Please come explain that to the decision makers here.

After an hour of $1/2 the $2/5 game finally starts. Loose spewy guy sits with ~$2,200. To start a new table.

I want him spewing to me so I didn't say anything but WTF ?

This debate about capped or uncapped games will go on forever. I lean toward capped but both have valid points depending on whether you are looking to cater to new player or the better regs. The one thing I haven’t seen addressed about the 2/5 game is the players. I have only played 2/5 a couple of times but both times (and many times I have sat next to the 2/5 table at a 1/2) the players were an unpleasant group. Some downright nasty and others just not pleasant to be around. Granted this is a small sample size and I understand not everyone is Dale Carnegie; but when your attitude makes it uncomfortable a new player to take a shot (or a fish to sit down) then you are hurting yourself long term. I would consider myself an about average recreational player who is more than rolled for the uncapped game at Hollywood ( I play in Vegas 4 or 5 times a year mainly 2/5). I just have been turned off and when the wife gives me a pass to go to the casino I will probably continue to sit in the 1/2 game. Just my 2 cents.

Small sample size, that's all -- the group is quite friendly imo; you should give it another shot.

Dealers coming from 2/5 and 3/6 tables have openly commented about this.... those games being 'angrier'

If thats your game it should be irrelevant though

Funny because dealers at the 2/5 game have said the same thing about the other games. For any argument it's not hard to find evidence in support of either side. But in complete sincerity, I have played in this game for hundreds of hours and in my experience it's at least as friendly as 1-2 and often very friendly, probably because the players know each other better.

i have played tons and tons of times at 1/2 and 2/5. 2/5 is much friendlier because many of the regs get to know eachother so its easier to talk about things and joke around. the dealers also say all the time they enjoy the 2/5 the most. i feel like i have a very good sample size as i have prolly played 3 times a week since it has opened

Were either of you playing that super deep 1/2 game last night ? I glanced at it on my way out and it looked like there was 10-20k in play? When the avg floor guy is excited about a game like that, they truly don't see that it's killing 2/5.

Please tell me how when you have a $2000 stack and the cap is $1000 you are freerolling against the rest of the table. Once the money is in front of you it is yours. When you double the guy up with the $1000 yes you are even for the session but you just lost $1000 that was your money.

I only bring this up because I think part of the problem here is there are a lot of misconceptions about big stacks in cash games.

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I'm reminded of the expression "You can shear a sheep many times, but you can only skin him once". Too many sheep are being skinned.

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Another thing to keep in mind about Columbus' decline is the room expansion was completed just before Cincinnati opened up. There were a lot of "fall regulars" whom I recognized as Dayton and north of Cincinnati players from Lawrenceburg. Once Cincinnati opened up they started going there due to geography. Now the room just has way too many tables for the reduced number of players. It was a much more comfortable room at 30 tables.

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The BBJ hit at around 8 today for I think 268k.

Yep. It hit for $268k. New BBK is $137k.

estimate on how late the 2-5 game might go tonight ??

It's pretty unpredictable but probably safe to assume at least til 1

thanks Karama

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This observation is in reference to famous poker player Casey Yontz who appeared on the 2012 WSOP main event TV table last year and who is a reg at Hollywood C-bus.

I was watching a rerun of the coverage and saw Casey Yontz playing. Luckbox as usual and totally recognizable by the big bald spot on the back of his head.

any new promos announced yet? most of the promos were thru june?