I would fold the q10 for $15

Like anything else, it sort of depends on the table. If the "standard for the table is $10, then don't rock the boat. Adapt to the table norms. Unless you're doing it for image reasons. Sometimes the standard PF raise is $12 and others $15. Just get used to the feel. If the standard is $10 and you hit Aces and pop it to $15, then you're not going to get your action.

Why'd you ask if he had Kings when he turned over AJ?

But they were sooooted.

Ill presume the second part of that is a level, but ill attempt at answering this one for you. I am probably not the one that is best to answer this, as I play an adventurous style (twoblack9s can attest/explain). However, easiest way to combat 12-15 preflop raises is to by in for 200. For me, it makes it a little better.

I would save for when you sit behind your computer, especially if you intend on becoming a regular. It is not good to piss off all of the regulars/fish at the table by doing something retarted like that.

Ha, they already started over once.
For those curious as to why Jeff and I are complaining about Greektown so much, I'll cliffnote it for you.
If you are curious, I have played every game downtown for more than 50 hours, expect the 1k-5k at MCC (never) and the 5-10plo at Greektown (2 hours).
1. Though, for me, it doesn't take long to get seated, the problems start right after that. Once seated, they wont break your game or move people to your game in order to prevent it from breaking, no matter if it is 2pm or 4am.
2. Before you can get seated, there is only on cashier. Usually not a problem, until the guys from the 5/10 plo game try to cash out 40k and have to have surveillance and **** called. Greektown refuses to call another cashier down to the poker room. Min. 15 minute wait.
3. A rule on Tuesday midday may not be the same Tuesday at midnight. Actually, a rule made by person a may not be upheld by a floor on the same shift. If you ever get 2 floors at the table at once, there is a 50/50 chance they wont rule the same.
4. The floor gives you attitude if you ask them to do the simplest of things, such as table changes, or dinner breaks. I know that we are all poker players here, or professional folders, and there are things we have to deal with, but we shouldn't have to deal with that.
5. The dealers. Whether it be 75% dont want to be there, or the 80% of them that can't run a game right, they are awful. Don't get me wrong, there are a few good ones in there, but to be honest, they are few and far between. I see the good dealers in craps more than I do in the poker room.
6. Tigers/Wings/Lions people. The people that come over to the casino after or before the game and sit in to play poker. A few problems with them. Once again, I am generalizing and stereotyping, but it is a common occurrence. Most buy in for 50-100, play for 30 minutes. They never reload. If they double or so, they leave.
I apologize for my scathing review, but it is to the point that I can't stand going in there anymore. I literally only go to Greektown if my poor/retarted friends want to play 3/6 and get drunk before a game.

I asked if he had kings before I saw it. I figured thats what the experts asked wit pair of queens right? Then he is suppose to say yep just kings, then I say just kings beats just queens. Get stacked and rebuy. I thought that's how these things worked out.

You need to stop watching so much poker on TV.

My bad was watching the classic moneymaker win a week ago so had those classic scenes running through my head. I was thinking about using some of those lines but I guess I didn't have enough poker courage.

You will come across as very douchey if you start using lines like that when playing, so I would advise against it

Dont worry eman, you cant come across anywhere near as douchey as twoblack9s... He doesnt know when to play a hand.. so he just folds.

imo a courtesy fastroll is never wrong and it's the most sportsmanly way to act when your all-in has been called and you have top pair w fd (i always hate the guy that hems and gives me a speech before rolling over a dominating hand).

all the music at snookers is from the jukebox so it's customer chosen. they do have it louder on weekends though.

Is the music in that Snookers as loud as the Snookers in Livonia/Redford? If so, it is ridiculously loud and unnecessary.

Does anyone have experience playing at Big Beaver Tavern? If so, could you discuss what games are spread ( you can skip 1/2 NLHE cuz I have no desire to play that) and how the action is on the weekends? Thanks

1/2 NLhe. That's about it. 2-3 Cash tables that they combine as the night wears on. I've seen some 2/5 NLHe, but don't think they do it much anymore.

Nightly Tournaments.

The Player mix is generally one or two decent aggressive former on-line players, one or two decent Live Reg players, and the rest your typical live and home game players.

you would you nit

They sometimes get an omaha game on weekends Gambit. Thursday, Friday, Saturday, sometimes Monday but it's hit or miss. They run a round by round tournament on Thursdays and Saturdays , 1/2 holdem 1/2 plo and it generally promotes an omaha game after people start busting out of the tourney. The omaha game sometimes runs all plo, all plo8, or round by round with those two depending on the mix that starts the game. When Suitedeuces and I were going there regular after black Friday we were successful in getting the game started all plo8 on those days when it ran, and that was usually 3 out of the 4 days. Their nightly tournament starts at 7 I think and generally takes up most or all of there tables and dealers so generally you have to wait til a table and a dealer open after bust outs to start a cash table, usually around 8-8:30. The few times I've sat in the nlh cash games there the action has been pretty juicy.

Thanks... I am interested in playing PLO or PLO8 but would rather not play a tourney.. If any plo/plo8 cash games are going on this weekend I would be willing to drive down and play in them.

I know it can vary wildly by table, but generally speaking, how much tougher is 2/5 NLHE at the casinos/Snookers compared to 1/2?

Thanks.

IDK about snookers, but I do know that the 2/5 downtown is a little bit tougher than the 1/2. To be honest, if you beat 1/2, then you could beat 2/5. I think that peoples biggest problem is that they let the stigma of playing 2/5 effect them. Its either that or they are unwilling or unable to fire $300-$500 bluffs when it is needed to take down pots.

Usually $15 raise depending on the table dynamics ,and the players playing at that table at that time, represents a big hand at most places. lol you will hardly see people fold for $6. Seems to me that players that play live have alot of fundamental leaks in their game. I usually fold in that situation unless both of us are really deep. seems like your effective stack didn't warrant enough to call w QTss.


Also I was thinking of coming up wit some elite poker metagame table talk when I go all in. Thinking of doing scotty nguyens famous line but instead of saying"You call, gon be all over" I'll say, you call gon be easy call." How would that effect my table image? Plus ev or -ev?

Our Advantage as online poker players is the fact that we have played hundreds of Thousands of hands and are able to think. Their advantage is their ability and their experience of hundreds of hours of playing a few thousand hands (lol). By talking you will only betraying yourself. best thing is to talk less and give away less information.As this is where they have a edge over us. Good luck! -EV

i probably would fold here as well . As we are calling for $15 w QTss. with a stack of less then $100. Also what people didn't say is how many other people where in the hand and also what is our position . what is our image and our opponents image? i think we got lucky that our opponent had AJ and not a over pair. which we would of gotten lucky and beat JJ and lower (mostly)

To all my fellow Detroit area Grinders,
Great tournament series coming up 9/12 - 9/21 at the Hollywood Casino in Lawrenceburg Indiana about 4hrs away. The Indiana State Poker Championships Event #1 is $345 deepstack (20,000 chips) with $250k guaranteed!!!
I personally will only play the first 3 Events on Friday, Saturday and Sunday (Friday $345, Saturday $555 and Sunday $345) they also have a $235 Pot-Limit Omaha 8 or better on Saturday and the cash games should be "easy pickings" during this series.

i am pretty sure he will play more hands then i will lol. i fold the small blind for $1 hahaha.