At MGM is the $3/$3 plo game a $5 bring-in?

Can you please tell me the min and max buy-in for the game?

Appreciate it alot.

I believe its a $200-$1k buy in game. I think its a bring in (limp) for $5, but can't remember as its been a while since I played it. It does play deep so not sure it mattered most of the time whether you could limp for $3 or it had to be $5 lol. Lot of action in the game which I would imagine hasn't changed. Good game if you can stand the swings. GL!

Hey all:

I was at the MGM the other day (WEDS) and the room was absolutely bonkers. There were 60+ people on the 1/3 waiting list.

Why? MGM was running a promotion of $500 for high hands EVERY 20 minutes! No rollovers though.

That was the good news.

The bad? MGM used to be the premier place in Detroit (maybe it still is?), but the place is barely being held together.

The soda dispenser in the poker room is out of order. Go outside to the main floor? A couple of them are busted. They clearly are not being taken care of. They also shut them down about 2 AM. So you HAVE to go to a bar OR try and find a cocktail waitress (good luck).

Frequently it can take well over an hour to get an beverage from a cocktail waitress in the poker room. This is hit or miss though....sometimes they are staffed well, other times empty.

They have major issues in the parking garage. The floors are filthy, clearly are not being cleaned/steamed on a regular basis. Trash everywhere.

They must have a problem with the parking garage bathroom, the pipes are overflowing or leaking, as the smell of piss was VERY strong in many spots. Big sections of the garage have non-functional lights (not safe!). They have 3 elevator banks in the garage. The one in the middle is broken, and has been non-functional for a while. Of the 2 main banks, (3 elevators each), 1 bank has only ONE FUNCTIONAL ELEVATOR. That elevator also only has ONE functioning panel! It has been this way for a while now.

The food court is not open for lunch during the week, only dinner. It is frequently DRASTICALLY understaffed, can take 20 minutes just to place your order. The Mexcian place is just reheating food out of steam trays....The other places have cut back on the size of their menus....

The only good thing is that now that they are the only game in town for poker AND the crazy promotions, they have a lot of action.

I think it would be good for the room if they bumped the 1/3 buy in to match the stack or at least 200-1k and then make 2/5 match the stack it’s just ruins the experience when so many ppl buy in short and there’s no money on the table.

I would like this, but I think it would shut out a lot of players. Sadly, I don’t think the average 1/3 player in the Detroit area can afford the buy in.

To me, to biggest problems affecting 1/3 are button straddle, rake + promo drop, and also bomb pots. While in theory button straddle is -EV, it prints money at MGM D because the average player in this pool is too passive and also don’t know how to navigate short stack. To add to this, the rake + promo drop combined with double raking bomb pots DRAINS money from the table.

2/5 is where it’s at but the reg to rec ratio is quite high.

Sooo funny timing on my last comment..

MGM eliminated the button straddle for 2/5. I don’t know why they only made this change to this one limit. The only information I got was from another player stating enough people at 2/5 were complaining about the straddle, so not sure how true the reasoning is. The game plays much better, at least for me cause I prefer playing deeper.

The beauty of having the room match the stack is your catering to all types of players. It doesn’t stop the min buy in ppl from playing but attracts players that like to play bigger when they see more money on the table and and potential to win bigger pots. If anything the short stacker players have more of a chance playing bigger pots considering the rake.

Buy-in is actually $300-$1500, it has change from what you mentioned. Also, you can straddle for (only) $10 from any position, save the blinds.

Can anyone say what's going on at Vision Lanes these days? Specifically what cash games run, and what times do they start? Is there at least a full game every night? Heard they run PLO- is that one day a week?

Thanks!

Match games only cater to very few Players and (IMO) Players play shorter sessions because of them since they don't want all their hard work disappearing in one hand. You beat a guy 4 times out of 5 and you're the one who's broke! That's not good for the game.

1) Do a 50% match .. allowing 'late' Players to buy-in closer to the big stacks
2) Have 'match' tables and non-match tables .. very easy

The Detroit market is big enough to cater to some match games, but it shouldn't be 'all' match games.

If you look at Soaring Eagle where the Player Pool is peanuts I think the match game works well in that room. GL

50% match seems like a good compromise

Thanks... does it play fairly ABC? (Arias game comes to mind) or does it get out of hand often? Appreciate it.

Based on the game setup, and simple fact that its PLO, yes there is of course plenty of variance involved. With the right people involved, very big pots and stacks will develop. This is not uncommon. You will find actual good players, and number of which are pros. There are also plenty of whales and fish. I will say though, that IMHO, the game is gotten tougher over the past year or so. Two factors I can point to account for this: Pros from all over the region have descended on the MGM game, as presumably other nearby PLO scenes have dried up some. The other factor is that known pros who have historically played bigger games (including 5/10, which now runs much less frequently), have been forced seemingly to play this $1/3 game. All this being said, of course if you are properly skilled/rolled, there is $$ to be made in this game.