Broadway and I are on the same page.

After you max your 401(k) & Roth IRA contributions, set up a regular transfer to an easily accessible investment account, pay off any high interest debt and have a solid monthly budget, there's no reason you can't use poker as an additional revenue stream.

Well...no reason except you don't play well. You have "prevented (yourself) from being as aggressive (you) should be" and that "a pleasant experience is what (you) enjoy." You're not approaching the game as a 2nd job. You're approaching it as a hobby. Hobbies cost money, not make money.

For me, and a lot of others, it's a job. It's what we do to earn income. I may come off as a non-sensical loon or a laid-back, friendly guy at the table for a few laughs and some good conversation. That's just the face I put on for the customers. I'm at work and I'm there to make money. No different from my regular job that I draw a paycheck from. It just has more flexible hours and no benefits.

If you're not approaching it from that perspective, you really don't understand what we're talking about, portfolio manager or not.

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Poker's the same way. Really, if you know how to manage a bankroll, exactly the same way.[/QUOTE]

yea i did well online because i had pretty decent bankroll management. i did start to game select and it made a big difference for me at the end. Then black Friday happened and i honestly did not have a bankroll to play $350 tournaments, in Indiana. And play 1/2. Doing that and trying to Run down the hill and "bang" a bunch of cows in the cash game didn't help either.

Also sitting on top of the hill waiting for a taxi to drive me down to the greener pastures never happened either.

Thus is an "optimal" mixture of diversified investments. At 30 you may have the 401K for 60 years. If you think you can beat the mix over that period of time you are in wrong profession and should be managing money.

I assume that the authors of all those poker books are trying to find the optimal mix just like an investor.

By the way, the first thing you notice about all the rich guys - Buffett, et al - is they did it with other people's money.

That opportunity is not available in poker with its make-ups, Buffett does not have to worry about those.

For those of us that used online poker as a convenient supplement to our live play in the Detroit area, Black Friday was pretty much just an annoyance.

The players that played mostly online and then came to the tables with no people reading skills, no awareness of the Detroit meta-game and a predictable style of play...well, mostly they got crushed. Certainly, some online players did have the intelligence, the people skills, and played with a large enough bankroll, to make the transition successfully. For most of them, though, the live games adjusted to the influx better than the influx adjusted to the live games.

I make no allegation as to which group you were in, but it was an observation that I thought should be pointed out.

Good evening 2+2ers. I noticed this thread and wanted to get an updated opinion on the Detroit area casino poker rooms. I'm going to be in the Toledo area beginning February 1st for about 3 months and want to learn about the major rooms in the Detroit area. From my research it looks like there are 3 major rooms in the area: MGM, Greektown, & Motor City. I'm relocating from the Cincinnati area where Hollywood Lawrenceburg was my main room. Primarily I'm a 1/2 + 1/3 player and wanted to know what the 1/2 through 2/5 NL games were like at each place. If you recommend a specific room I'd like a quick insight as to why. I appreciate any feedback you can provide.

Thanks in advance.

--Dizzle

Motor City: Better game selection for NLHE and the staff is just slightly poker-ignorant, not utterly incompetent. Note: I'm only comparing this to Greektown as i've never been to MGM. Frankly, charity rooms might be your best bet for NLHE.

Also, Toledo itself is supposed to have a casino soon but i doubt that's by April.

Don't expect the PLO to run again at mc but you probably knew that. Also,strangely now you have to pay cash if you order something at the tables and can no longer pay with chips

I'm in agreement with Broadway. Motor City Casino is the best of the three. They have mostly competent dealers and floor staff. This is due to fairly low turnover and the poker room dealers and staff work only in the poker room.

At MGM and Greektown, the dealers are not dedicated to the room and the floor staff have been rumored to have higher brain functions. This has yet to be proven for most of them.

MGM's poker room takes some effort to find and doesn't get many casual players. I haven't been there in a while, so I don't know what stakes are dealt.

Greektown Casino is worth playing on drunk sports fan night (when the Lions, Tigers or Red Wings have a home game) and that's about it. Greektown's poker room very rarely has any games above a $1/$2 NLHE.

If you're coming up from Toledo to play, I can't think of any good charity rooms that would be easy to find and wouldn't add at least a half hour to your drive each way. Electric Stick and Doc's Sports Retreat would be the games I would most recommend to folks coming from Toledo. If you're going to make the trip regularly, then I'd say you should check those out.

Its upstairs

fk that was quick. i heard some other downtown casino recently enacted that rule, but didn't think mcc would fall. dumb dumb dumb dumb.

Why?

The Musicians forum is up and running. Not sure how many people play music ITT but I figured I would let you all know anyways

apparently paying with chips at the table was never supposed to be allowed and they are just now cracking down on the 3 casinos about it (my girl is a server at MCC), she says it has to do with the gaming commision and not the actual casino itself but its pretty dumb and only hurts the servers hourly in the long run

The Gaming Commission passed a new law less than 2 weeks ago not allowing alcohol to be purchased with chips at any of the casinos. Believe me, the casinos hate that new law as much as we do.

Heard it first from you.... thank you sir.

Haven't played the pokerz in a couple weeks now, busy work weeks lately. Looking forward to playing again. Best of cards to you guys this weekend!

The law's not new. It's apparently been on the books for 12 years but has never been enforced. I suspect that it'll either get overturned or ignored again in a couple of months.

Via a single elevator, labeled with 4pt font.

lol exactly. i remember prior to my first ever visit to their poker room I heard it was on the second floor. I was confused since I had no clue there was any sort of second floor gaming area even though I was a regular there to the tune of 3-5 days a week. So naturally, I park in the structure and instead of heading to the first floor, I get off at the 2nd floor. Of course, if you're familiar with MGM, you know the 2nd floor is nothing more than another level in the parking structure. lol So not to look like a dumbass, I proceeded to get off the elevator to make it look like I was on my way out.

If your in Toledo your closest option is Dollar King charity room which is right across the border in Michigan. I haven't been there in a while but the did have some decent $1/$2 games there last time I went.

Otherwise, you have to travel north up to a bigger charity room or one of the Detroit casinos.. MGM and Greektown are bother nicer looking venues but the action is much better at Motor City.

Yea you and i have played many times. I do believe you are the guy with the batman Tshirt with the Joker card protector? IF so we have played alot (more then 5 times together) mostly at snookers. I had asked alot of questions as you seemed to have alot more live experience. Pretty sure you made some good laydowns to me also. If you seen me you would recognize who i was. Pretty sure we where in the back corner table next to where the RxR table used to be. you where in seat 3 and i was in seat 4 to your right. If you remember this hand i had just smooth called w AA when the girl in seat 8 raised utg w 99. i jammed the turn and she turned a set on me. We talked about the hand for a while as you complemented my play on that hand. Just happened to get unlucky.

My biggest problem is bankroll management. Not that i don't have it i just couldn't find any lower games when my bankroll dropped below $1500.

Also i was primarily a live cash game player when i first started. Online sitngos and such kind of ruined my game. I think if i could even get some playable hands once in a while live i could do alright. just sucks to go card dead.

Greetings.

There's also Queen of Hearts in Woodhaven which is just off 75.

Anybody going to Shark Club in Waterford tonight? $100 BI tourny, 20min levels, 30k stack, and I guess they added 8 levels to their normal turbo donkament structure, should be pretty good Maybe i'll see a few of you there, hope poker's good to all this weekend

Yeah that is a little further out though coming from Toledo he should just go to Dollar King it's only a couple miles into Michigan.

I'd skip Queen of Hearts if he's looking for $1/$2 action I've played there several times and they rarely get $1/$2 games going it's some .25/.50 stuff with people buying in for $10-20 a lot of times. If he's going that far I'd just hop on 75 then take it to 275 and get off on Ford Road to N. Wayne and go to Electric Stick. He could also travel a few miles north to Doc's or Northville Downs.

What kinda turn out do they expect? Plus what time does it start.