Once an hour at Commerce, between 5 minutes before and 5 minutes after the hour. Once every three hours at Hustler.

Absolutely - friggin' supersticious BS.
Another way they could fix this is to cut the number of players per game. Instead of 9 handed, they could make it at 8 handed. That would give them more tables going and it would make the game move quicker.
I know it wouldn't be as popular, but I WOULD play an 8 handed game. I WILL NOT play a game where the drop exceeds 1 small bet.

One more observation - the other night at Hustler, there were ZERO 3-6 games going. I don't play it but there's usually 3-4 games going at 8PM.

You would play 8-handed, but the vast chunk of their player base would complain endlessly about that. It would be a disaster.

It's been awhile since I've been there but I remember most of the (5/10)games having 2-3 walkers at all times so if that's still the case you'll end up with nothing but heads up games if you reduce the number of players

That's true but the drop goes down when there's less than 6 players so at the third walker the drop starts to ... drop.

With 8 players, the games would go a little faster, and they'd have more than 10% more tables going. I dunno.. maybe it's just getting too expensive for a casino to make money with a live dealer in small games.

Maybe it will get bad enough to the point where it will revert to player-dealt games - now that would be interesting.

They could always give the electronic tables another chance.

Funny you mention that - I actually tried those for a couple of hours when they had them for a few months here at Excalibur. Maybe the fact I had a tremendous bad beat didn't help, but I don't see those tables working for a large card room. For a casino that just wants a couple of tables, they kind of work, but they come across as a novelty. Also, it feels weird covering your 'hole cards' when they're on the screen, and I am not sure the paranoid population of Commerce would go for that... but maybe, especially for those $40 NL games... at some point in the next decade that buyin level will not be able to keep up with costs (unless people really are still going to play when they're taking $10 out of the pot... who knows).

I guess this can go here.

Was chatting and thinking about what effect this (seemingly small to some)So Cal drop increase of a buck if a river card is seen is going to have on players putting in say 1k hours a year. Perhaps more than it would appear on the surface?

For a 20/40 player putting in say 1k hours a year will this mean that he/she will be paying an extra approx. amount of around 3k a year in drop? This is simply figuring winning 3 pots an hour as an example. Not sure if this is reasonable but a good starting point I guess.

For rec players they ultimately won't care as much as a pro putting in even more than 1k hours a year.

Limit poker is usually a showdown game so a final street is usually going to be shown. As always those playing at lower limits are always going to feel the drop more than higher limit players, %wise.

So full time mid limit+ grinders are basically taking 5/10% or higher a pay cut. Am I right? For limits around 8/16 and lower does this translate to upwards of 20%? I know that there aren't a lot of low limit grinders

I too tried the electronic tables at the Excalibur years ago and they would probably never work in Los Angeles. These tables give a clearer representation of the rake and how much exactly is taken out of reach hand. Rake is much easier to hide in a pot of chips and with these tables more players would eventually catch on that they're being ra*ed.

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I am half kidding about the electronic tables mostly because I remember them failing so spectacularly when they had one or two of them at the Bike. But all companies complain about their expenses and I could totally see a card room eventually saying, "We don't make enough on the $40NL games so we need to cut out the dealer."

What's the buyin range for 2/5 (or is it 5/5) PLO and what's the game labeled? I want to check how many are running on bravo poker.

Thanks

I've only played on electronic tables twice, for short periods of time, but I felt the opposite. I don't really remember how it represented the rake, but I noticed that it was a dollar less than at live tables, plus no dealer to tip, so it saved $2 per hand. At a live table I notice every time the dealer takes the rake out of a pot, and it is especially noticable if it is a room where they have to pull out and push back a lever with a loud noise to drop the chips under the table.

5/5 1500 max used to run, but doesn't now.
Options are the 1/3 HA game or the big PLO up top.

Any word on what all the construction on the west and south side of the main building is about?

I'm seeing "100-300" PLO on the bravo app right now. Any info on these games? Is it actually possible Commerce has added a legitimately structured low stakes 1/2 or 1/3 game?

I was told they are painting the building. Will take a few months.

The LAPC beautification is starting early this year.

I misspoke above and said HA, it is actually a PLO/PLO8 game.
True pot limit

After reading through the last 500 posts in this thread I'm grappling with whether low stakes NL games at Commerce are beatable after the rake. I have a $1k roll and I'd like to build it to start playing higher, but the rake seems formidable. Is there any consensus on whether the $40, $100, $200, or $300-500 are beatable for an average player? If so, what can I play with a $1k roll? I played full time online 2008-2010 but I've barely touched the game since. I quit to go back to school and don't have much disposable $ at the moment.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say no poker game is beatable by the average player, by definition. So that's the snark. You're going to need to clarify your question to get any meaningful answer.

Alright good point lol. I guess I mean a reg who has played a ton in the past and would clean up vs fish. So a generally good player.

The "generally good" player who can "clean up vs fish" is not going to be much more than a break-even player at low stakes.

#dreamsCrushed

Personally, I would not play lower than the $200 NL game, carefully table select, tip only in larger pots, avoid high variance plays, initially play only Friday and Saturday night, etc.

ETA: If you don't have much disposable income, maybe you shouldn't be playing.

GL