I feel your pain as well as everyone elses. I have tried again and again to help the mid limit game but nothing seems to work. Last night around mid-night we had (30) 1-2 NL games. 300 people playing 1-2 nl. Do you have any idea how many people it actually takes to keep 25+ games going through out the day. It's mind boggling. Why we can't keep one 5-10 LHE game full beats me. I have said though many times if everyone that wants to play this limit would choose one house to play it, it would be a strong game. Hopefully my message will be heard and the Borgata will be ready for them.

Stan

This is exactly what got me to switch to NL a couple of years ago. I played 10/20 for a while, but wasn't really rolled for it. I don't think it will ever get better. It's just a 'tweener game. Your average donks would rather stay at 2/4 or 3/6, and anyone interested in moving up is looking to eventually get to 10/20 and higher. Not many people want to play 5/10 forever.

Where do you check out? When you cash out?

Not sure I agree that it will never get better. Before the NL craze, the pink game at the Trop, then the 6-12 game at the Borg, were great games. There's a precedent for that level of LHE being sustainable and juicy.

so why doesnt the same logic hold true for 5/10. i think thats a tweener game between 1/2 and 2/5 and 10/20 and 10/25, no?

I think it's because 5/10NL is such a bigger game in terms of bankroll requirement and expected win rate for a good player. A buy in for 5/10 limit is just 200 or 300, but for 5/10NL, buy in is around 1k or more. So instead of about a 6k bankroll, you should have about 20k.

I think 5/10 limit is more like 2/5NL, but the current popularity of NL keeps plenty of those games going. If limit ever starts regaining popularity, maybe a bunch of 2/5NL players will start to fill up the 5/10 limit games.

Wait you have to clock out? I've been here playing 5/10nl+ since wednesday, does this mean I haven't been getting any comps?

Yes. Sorry, man.

When you are done playing....cashing out, just have them swipe your card at the front desk.

if i recall correctly... when the room was downstairs... 6/12 was a GREAT game!

the most popular low/mid limit game that ever lived was $7.50/$15.00 holy crap was that game awesome...

any game with a 1/2 chip structure ie. 5/10 will never have great action in it due to the pot size being so visibly small... theres a reason 20/40 gets insane action... because all those massive amounts of chips attract fish and big pots are deceiving....

the best structure games are either 3/6 chip or 4/8 (my fav) chip structures... i love massing a TON of chips.... winning a 10 chip pot just isn't fun... but winning an 100-140 chip pot is well... THE NUTS.

just to further elaborate that it is NOT the limit.... 5/10lhe is one of the most popular mid limit online games (on pokerstars).... great action.... 5/10lhe online does not suffer like live does... so the chip structure has to affect the action.

my suggestion would be to kill the 5/10 game and either pick up 4/8 or 6/12... imo 5/10 will never be a popular game live.

Thanks for posting this. People would laugh at me when I said the 5/10 LHE at Borgata was tight. People thought because it was one step up from 3/6 that it was full of donks playing 7/2os UTG. Granted there are always a couple of good spots, but not as much as people assume there is.

6/12 only works with $2 chips. 4/8 with $1 chips is usually awesome because a small sized pot is at least half a rack of chips and people lose their frickin minds looking at all those chips. Nevermind a 20 BB pot with more than a rack and a half of chips out there.

I was semi-regular in the 6/12 at Borgata when they had it, and the 5/10 game is better, despite the 1/2 structure. They used red chips in that game, making the betting and dealer change very awkward.

Speaking of awkward, while waiting for 5/10 I sat in the 3/6 at Borgata with a rack of white. The dealer immediately asks to buy $80 white from me. WTF? I look down at his tray and he's got $300 in white sitting there, so it's not like he needed it to keep the rake going. He had just been filled. I ask why, he says "So you don't have to sit there with all that white," like he's doing me a favor. I decline, saying that I prefer to play in white, I swear he gives me a dirty look and doesn't say another word to me like I'm a scumbag.

Borgata poker director, anything you can do about all the red chips at 2/4 and 3/6? It's pervasive in AC (only?) and I don't get it.

I know THAT...I am playing day 1B myself...but i meant the rest of the casino was packed too, in a Sunday afternoon/night! slot machines,table games, bars, restaurants, just too many people in here as if it were prime time Friday and no recession in sight...kind of glad to see it actually.

Stan,

Were you the guy with the longish hair and the handle bar mustache, I tried to get a look at your name tag if so, so I could say what up but I couldn't see?

Let me know so next time I can you give you the pleasure of meeting me!

Pardo

The 2/4 & 3/6 is always going to play with a majority of reds because of all the older nits that refuse to buy-in for more then $20 at a time. When they sit down, they buy in for the minimum from the dealer and then re-buy from the dealer when they get short. Of course, the dealer is going to give out four reds over 20 whites.

I understand what you mean though. I always get the look when I come to the table with a rack or two of just whites. Now when I play 3/6, I just bring a rack of whites and $100 in reds just to please the nits that prefer me to call $6 with a red and a white and not six whites.

How about killing the 3/6 and making it a 4/8 game instead?

This could be a good idea if you go 3/6, 6/12, 10/20. Not sure there would be sufficient interest to have all of those games running.

Would be great. Some of the Vegas rooms run 1/2 kill 4/8 games to solve the mid-limit problem and I'd prefer that to the 5/10.

After spending hundreds of hours a coupla years ago in the 6/12 & 10/20 games, and occasionally playing 5/10, I agree that 6/12 will generate more interest than 5/10. However, if the cost of $2.50 pink chips isn't a factor, IMO the $7.50/15.00 with 2&3 blind structure would be a huge hit. Many of the 5/10, 6/12 crowd plus some 1/2NL players would all be thrilled if this game was dealt at Borgata. Can't tell you how many times I've heard players at 10/20 reminiscing about, "wow the action they used to have @ that Trop pink chip game".

Stan,

I hate to generate any income for Boyd gaming, however a pink chip game should be a hit at the Borgata. I hate it even more when sirlurkalot has a brilliant idea.

Just set up a table with all pink chips, advertise a Friday afternoon and Saturday afternoon start, and we will even set up a separate thread in B&M about it.


My new thread will be titled "The Pink Chip game is the nuts at the Borgata."

Dare to be different...

nineinch

I won't mention names but the following happened this weekend that cost me $100. I take partial responsibility here, but 2 dealers failed to inform me that cash does not play at NL. 95% of the games i play are LIMIT where cash does play. Occasionally if the list is long for my games i will play some 1/2. Following occured friday night at 1/2 NL table.

I lose some hands and am down to $180 or so, i add on for $100 (its probably 5 minutes before dealer change) I take out a $100 bill and place it under my 2 stacks of chips(unaware cash does not play). Current dealer deals 3 more hands or so and tags out.

New dealer comes in, play 2 hands and then the following hand comes up. Woman raises to $12, i 3 bet to $30 with KK, she raises to $145. I think, crap hope she doesn't have aces, oh well i'm gonna push cause OMG i have kings. I push in the 2 stacks and the $100 bill. Dealer informs me that the cash does not play. I am unhappy. Woman calls.

I admit it's my bad for not knowing the rules, however my cash was not hidden, it was easily visible. I would think at at least 1 of the 2 dealers would have said, "hey man cash doesn't play at the table do you want chips?" but neither did.


Brag: she has Aces, but i flop Quad kings.
Reverse Beat: river is an Ace, she has Aces full of kings, which at other casinos would have been the bad beat but not at the borgata.

And the kicker, after i win the hand the dealer says, "Do you want chips for that hundred?"

I say, "um... no, also i now have About $400 in chips in front of me, so i am pretty sure i can not add on to my stack." The hundred was never in play, so why would i now be able to get chips for it if i am over the $300.

Did the dealers think i just felt like keeping $100 on the table for fun?

Stan maybe in one of the daily huddles you just ask the dealers that if someone pulls out cash and puts it on the table at NL to ask if they want chips. I have been playing casino poker for almost 10 years, and as a LIMIT player i am used to cash player. I am sure not everyone knows this, especially new players to NL.

Stan,
I came back to play at the Borg after being away for quite sometime. I have to say the room was better than ever and I will not be going back to the competition.
I have a basic question that was discussed at our table yesterday but was unresolved. If player 1 (P1) calls down player 2 (P2) and P1 shows first then P2 mucks, does P1 have the right to ask the dealer to show P2's cards or is this against the rules?
Thanks and looking forward to my next trip down in a couple of weeks.

A. If P1 calls P2, and he wants to see P2's hand, he should let P2 show first.

B. If P1 shows first and P2 goes to muck, it is bad etiquette to ask to see P2's hand. There is nothing positive to be gained from asking to see it.

I totally agree with your statement. But I must conclude with the answer to the question. Yes, the player has a right to see a called hand on the river.

Stan