Borgata much better structure
Showboat no anties many, many, many donkeys

payouts are about the same not sure the exact

It probably helps sustain the 2/5 game if sharks can't plunk down $1k covering a table and pick off the weak and recreational. Sure, that's what the weak and recreational are for to the other players, but it's to the room's advantage to give them (at least the illusion of) a fighting chance. Anybody with the money but not the ability for 5/10 is on their own.

And you can't go to the cage and buy $750, so 150bb is out.

Hey Stan, recently I asked about the borgata changing the BBJ to some type of freeroll tournament and you said that this was impossible. The other day I was talking to a floor guy over that the tournament "cage" and he seemed to really like my idea. I think you may have been confused with my idea. What I meant was to completly abolish the BBJ and just put the tournament in its place, not take out money from the BBJ to fund the tournament. I think having some type of tournament where a player ahs to log a certain amount of hours to qualify would keep players at the borgata much better then a BBJ, every casino has a BBJ so to me its irrelevant. If a player knows hes gonna have a shot at a 250k prize pool I think he would be much more motivated to log his hours and qualify. Imagine the all the hype over a 250k free roll tournament at the borgata. Figure if you make 3 a year 250k each time doesnt seem to outlandish.

No way they are totally abolishing the BBJ.

I don't see why not. It's a marketing tool, if they find a better way to attract players it makes sense. The B didnt have a BBJ up untill a few months ago so I dont see why it would be a big deal

I think you're eight on the money (no pun intended). Dead on about the marketing tool thing too. Not only would players log more hours but they would return again and again.

Three $250k free roll tournaments would cost Borgata $750k per year where as running a BBJ is almost "free" to run - only have to pay your floor personnel and surveillance to collect and count the money. I can't imagine the free roll tournaments having near enough effect to justify that expense.

I also don't understand why you would have to eliminate the BBJ to run the tournaments. You could do both with no problems.

???? It wouldnt cost the borgata anything..... My idea is to keep collecting money from every pot but instead of using that money for a BBJ use it for the free roll tournament. I.e They cancel the BBJ but make the new promotion 250k free roll tournament. they keep collecting money from each pot like they are now and advertise players who log 150 hours over the nect 4 months qualify for the freeroll.

i like it...<lloyd> i like it a-lote </christmas>

maybe even rotate it with the bbj? like keep the bbj during big draw tourney periods like summer and winter open and do the free rolls in between...

Flipside: The vast majority of players are tourists. Many who are in town for only a few nights would be more likely to play in a BBJ location than one which offers them a freeroll that they will never qualify for.

Everyone qualifies for the BBJ.

So the dealers for the freeroll tournament will be donating their time?

I knew someone was gonna post that, what I meant was that person misunderstood me. The borgata will not be putting up the freeroll money, it will be taken from every pot.

Yeah, but that freeroll costs them real money in a way that a BBJ does not.

I understand this, but that is for the Borgata to decide I am just putting the idea out there. I am sure 99 percent of poker players would agree this is a much better promotion and will bring a ton of new action to borgata

I was at the Borg this afternoon and the 4-8 HOSE game wasn't even on the board; I guess it probably won't go tonight. Does it look likely to go tomorrow? I won't be there until around 6, but I'd love to play.

You're assuming that 99% of the Borgata cash game players also play tournaments, and that they would be there when the freeroll occurs. Many do not play tournaments. Also, as mentioned, many players do not live in the area, may only be there for a few days, and would not be at Borgata when a freeroll occurs.

A Bad Beat Jackpot that everyone playing cash games is eligible for during each hand that they play is the best option.

So we already decided you need to pay the dealers to deal the tournament.

When will the freeroll occur? During some time when a tournament is not usually running, right? And the tournies that currently run are at the times when Borgata management has decided is the best time for a tournament.

And the idea is to bring players to Borgata with the lure of a freeroll tourney cash. So you have to have a pool of players who are not ordinarily playing at the Borgata who decide to play there because of the freeroll tourney who will contribute more rake than the cost of the dealers and are lured there by the freeroll which is occurring at some odd time.

And while the players who are there all the time are playing the freeroll, the cash games are not running either because al the players are in the freeroll, so you have to make up that extra cost as well.

I think you are confusing "something you would like" with something 99% of all poker players would like. And ignoring the not insignificant costs the Borgata would have to shoulder.

Anyway, I came to the thread to see what kind of games would be running on a Friday night and thanks to Stan's updates I have a general sense. I'll leave the running of the Borgata to the pros going forward.

Taking money from cash games pots to fund a tournament? What if you are a cash player that hates tournaments like me? I'm surely not going to give money toward something I hate.

No worries. The CCC would never approve it, Borgata would never ask for it, and very few cash game players would ever go along with it.

Just remember how you get all your cash game profits and the abundant amount of tables at the Borgata, from tourists. If the tourists aren't kept happy, then the room won't flourish. The BBJ keeps the tourists happy so it keeps the Borgata and even yourself happy. No reason to get rid of it for something like a freeroll.

Oops, my mistake I misread the idea. However, I think it would be a bit disingenuous to call these tournaments "free rolls".

The "freeroll" tournament would only benefit regulars. The weekend tourists, if they understand the promo, would play elsewhere. Weekend players want a chance to win the jackpot now, and will travel to the place where it's the biggest. See showboat two weeks ago. The Borgata can't do away with their BBJ now because all the other casinos have one.

Like I said, this would never happen.

you are correct, the CCC would not approve of this.

Stan

Yes, this would be a good time for a live game report. Still on vacation but what the heck. This live game report is is being brought to you via the great state of Alabama.

(4) 2-4 LHE
(2) 3-6 LHE
(1) 10-20 LHE
(3) 20-40 LHE
(2) 40-80 LHE

(1) 30-60 Stud
(2) 75-150 Stud

(1) 1-2 PLO
(1) 10-20 Omaha H/L
(1) 100-200 O.E.
(1) 400-800 S.H.E.

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Stan

Suggestions for improving the 2/5NL game / all NL games.

In 2/5NL - Allow white chips to play only in increments of $5. People love to make these ridiculous $21, $28 bets and it does nothing other than slow the game down with the dealer having to make change. These clowns think it's "cute" and it's just really annoying.

It seemed like the Vegas dealers were trained on this one: When a player makes a bet with a stack of chips, the dealer should not immediately start cutting the chips in order to announce the amount. In Vegas, the dealer simply announced "bet", and most players could usually tell what the amount was and act in tempo. If someone asks, then the dealers would cut out and count the chips. It seemed to make the game go a lot more smoothly than the Borg games, where the dealers are constantly counting chips while the action is stalled.