More like the 20th. Lol

And I thought it would stop when they removed the 'guarantee' tag from half of their tourneys...Fool me once, shame on Gary Loveman. Fool me twice, shame on Gary Loveman's bottom line.

And if they fool you three times?

Shame on God obv. Everyone thanks God for the good things but doesn't blame him for the bad things, except Stevie Johnson.

Sorry, I can't hear you from within the confines of Borgata.

lol that drop gave the steelers the win, and ultimately the division over the Ravens. #bitterRavensfan

This. Just play at the borgata. This place seems like a huge fail

How many games do they get off in the high limit room?

Or do they put the lowest raked game in there and let them run over everybody?!??

What a failure this place is

The 10/20 Omaha/Stud High Low game runs daily there. 2/5 and above are also played there. Depending on the interest, there can be more than 1 2/5 game. The room is still growing, so getting these games off more regularly is definitely the goal.

The negativity about this room is not helping....and you're not the only one. Poker players will always find something to complain about. If you think that the promotions and offers aren't to your needs, then find a better room. I will say, though, that you will be hard pressed to find another room that offers "play 4 hours, get a free room", a "$1000 max buy-in at 2/5 with $5PPH time rake", and "free food offered" for high limit players. Plus, the 10/20 game offers $3 per hour in comps and the 2/5 game offers $2 per hour, both with added bonus comps.

Sure, there are issues with tournament cancellations and other minor stuff. All rooms have some issues. Guarantees can't be offered when the player base is not sustainable. Growing any room should be the goal so that players have "good" choices. Pick the room that best meets your needs and work on improving that room. Otherwise, to all, stop bad mouthing any room that you have little/no interest long term in. Or, better yet, voice your concerns to room management so changes can be positively implemented for us all!!

Simple solution, then, if you are Caesars -- DON'T OFFER A GUARANTEE.

It's frustrating as a player, who generally stays at Harrah's, to cab over to Bally's specifically for the tournament, only to have it basically be a no-go . . . and then have to hurry over to Showboat or elsewhere last minute to find a more suitable tournament.

A "guarantee" is a guarantee. If Caesars's is not going to back it up, then just stop the false advertising.

By the way, if they went a week or two with a massive overlay, word would get out and, perhaps on week three they'd actually have a crowd . . . Hell, the Golden Nugget use to be able to cover their nooner in the old room, and that place was otherwise EMPTY. No reason Bally's couldn't put a great event together on Saturday night. That said, I won't be back anytime soon . . .

Poker rooms are not complicated to run. I am not saying they are not hard to run, I am sure they are, but the basic principles are simple: if there are not a lot of poker rooms in the area, you can offer an inferior product because people will go there no matter what due to lack of options. However, if you are in a place like AC, where there are poker rooms all over, your success will be directly proportionate to the quality. The Borgata is what it is right now in the poker world because they have created a fantastic product that is head and shoulder above any other. If this place wants to develop a similar reputation, it just has to offer a good product, which means making guarantees actually guaranteed, among other things, and offering the kinds of games that attract people. Its like in Field of Dreams...If you build it, they will come. If you offer good perks, solid customer service, competent staff, etc, people will flock here and enjoy themselves. If not, people will continue playing at the Borgata. Its that simple. I'm not saying that this room has no chance or that I wouldnt check it out, it is just off to a rocky start, and when your competitor has such a good grasp of the market, its best to hit the ground running before a bad reputation develops.

I'd love to see this place succeed...if it could compete with the Borgata to be the AC mecca of poker, everyone wins. It just has to prove itself.

I have been there twice and the only thing going in the high limit room was the 2-5 no limit game. I think we really need to wait until after memorial day and the summer season starts before we will know how this room will do. Throwing a huge sign out on the Boardwalk promoting the room would help a lot I think.

Yes, I total agree...and thanks for the backup. I just hate to see, in any thread, it become a bitch fest for those who have nothing better to do. That's why I posted this...and would do similar in any room's thread. It's good to see people try and give things a chance.

For those who really don't have much to say, you're better off not saying anything. The gripes are already well known to most players, and, like in the past, save the threads on poker rooms for quality information. I wish there'd be a little more modding in all the threads for B+M rooms, anyone can start a gripe thread, but when it begins to take over, no one really gains.

Where is this coming from?

It's a joke?

I think a big problem with the room and the reason for folks reacting negatively towards it is the inconsistency in decision making and direction from the room managers. "Guaranteed" tournaments that are not guaranteed, the highest table rake in town, making it difficult for people to cash in their rake back. I live and work in NYC and I play in AC on weekends but I cannot come down on a weekday to cash in 50 bucks in RB. Things like this put people like me off. I'd rather go to Borgata or the PA rooms. I really wish CET rights the ship here but I have a feeling that they will continue to get in their own way.

How often does the 2-5 get going? Does it ever run during the week?

My sarcasm meter must've been turned off.

Carry on.

It's a rarity but it will go. B I - weekly I would say.

So when a "guarantee" isn't a guarantee and when they offer rakeback but make it impossible for some people to actually collect it, everyone should just shut up and accept it instead of letting people know that it is still going on?

The "guarantee" in regards to tournaments is in reference to the PRIZE POOL when the tournament is a go. It doesn't mean that the tournament is guaranteed to actually take place. For those of you bitching about this......do alittle research. You'd be amazed at what you could learn.

Like a lot of things in life, just because you can doesn't mean you do it. (Cancel the tournament). Although the DGE may allow it CET should have the integrity not to do so.
When Borgata had their poker room downstairs they would always run their guarantees with the exception of a weather related issue. They lost for a long time, but the overlays kept people coming and filled their cash games after. People said no one will go to the marina to play. Management did all they could do to prove everyone wrong and attempt to put a stranglehold on the AC poker market. Through their losses they did so.
I understand it's not Dan at the CET properties that makes them so hostile towards poker players it's CET upper management. Harrahs Chester is notorious for canceling their guarantees. It's a CET epidemic. The difference with casinos in PA is that their nearest competition is a 35 min car ride away, not 5 minutes away.
I live an hour and 40 minutes away from AC. If i make a drive to play a specific tournament and it doesn't go because the casino gas to shell $ out of their coffers and they won't do so, damn right I'm upset.
This is the forum to express that is it not?
I know it's redundant on this thread about the failures but so is the BS that goes on with this room. Look at the nugget. They ate so many guarantees they had the close their room. They came back with a new and improved model and are thriving in the AC poker market. Dan told me personally back in November he wanted to take a shot at the Borgata and give players and option in the city to play higher stake games and mixed games. Not the way to attract new customers. It's a good way to alienate existing customers like myself.

I respect your opinion. You certainly have the right to be upset if you feel that, as a customer, you are being treated unfairly......and the strongest way for you to voice your opinion is to take your business to a place that will treat you properly. I just want to make it clear that my original post was simply a frustrated response to the many people who have been misinterpreting the word "guarantee" when it comes to poker tournaments. Perhaps certain casinos should just drop that word from their advertising altogether in order to alleviate any confusion.

I'm actually not certain this is accurate. Granted, I had had a few cocktails before I went over to Bally's two weeks ago. But, I'm pretty sure I heard them announce that, while the guarantee was cancelled, the tournament would go forward. Now, it is possible I misheard this. It's also possible that I heard correctly, yet the tournament ended up being cancelled in the end, anyhow. But, beyond this, it's also sort of a chicken /egg kind of thing. Harrah's often runs tournaments with 1 or 2 tables. They don't cancel them for lack of turnout. If Bally's is cancelling tournaments simply to avoid the guarantee, then it's just exploiting a loophole. In sum, I've considered your position. And I remain quite certain I do, indeed, know what the word "guarantee" means . . .

ETA - fixed the original as reflected above to placate the below

"I'm actually not sure"......"But, I'm pretty sure"? ..... At least you're "quite certain" that you know what the word "guarantee" means. Ok. Have another cocktail.