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07-14-2012 , 11:40 PM
Thread title has 'Casino Arizona' in it, 'nuff said.

A story:

Years ago there was only 1 cell provider that got reception in Gila River's poker room. I complain to the manager, she asks what she could do about it, I say install a booster, she says I should switch to the carrier that works, I say wut? she says no booster, I say many players must be skipping their room bec they need to be connected for business/other reasons, she says they should switch providers, I call her an idiot and expect to get thrown out, she just looks at me, I'm on a free roll so I call her an idiot again and walk out.

Give that a try DC, I will back you up.
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07-16-2012 , 02:15 AM
anyone know how often the 10 man $100 sats to the AZ Championship run?
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07-16-2012 , 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by CharlieDontSurf
anyone know how often the 10 man $100 sats to the AZ Championship run?
Depends on the time of day.... Friday after 6pm & Sat after 6pm they ran about 4 each night... Best chance is Tues,Wed nights as people bust the nightly tournament people seem to sign up for the SnG's.
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07-16-2012 , 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by CharlieDontSurf
anyone know how often the 10 man $100 sats to the AZ Championship run?
They will run as often/many as there is 10 players to play one. They take a list and call it down, as soon as 10 players acknowledge they fire it up.
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07-17-2012 , 08:47 PM
Does this guy Jacob Balsiger from the final nine of the WSOP play at Talking Stick?...He looks familiar and I think I've played with him before. Just curious if anyone knows for sure...He's a senior at ASU and from Tempe.
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07-17-2012 , 11:07 PM
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Originally Posted by drewvy
Does this guy Jacob Balsiger from the final nine of the WSOP play at Talking Stick?...He looks familiar and I think I've played with him before. Just curious if anyone knows for sure...He's a senior at ASU and from Tempe.
Yep.
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07-18-2012 , 10:36 AM
Doesn't look familiar to me.
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07-18-2012 , 10:51 AM
yes he plays fairly often in the 3/5 game occasionally in the 5/10 if i recall.
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07-18-2012 , 12:26 PM
Good to know I have someone to cheer for.
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07-18-2012 , 01:50 PM
Hey guys, haven't been here for a while. Are the 2/3 and 3/5 games still running?
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07-18-2012 , 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by MisterMan
Hey guys, haven't been here for a while. Are the 2/3 and 3/5 games still running?
All day every day. Batter up!
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07-18-2012 , 05:15 PM
07-18-2012 , 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by that_pope
I've never seen someone checking IDs at home games

Will have to watch out for him at Talking Stick since they're on a break
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07-18-2012 , 09:56 PM
Wow, I'm bad with faces but I have no memory of him at 3/5. That's odd because there can't be more than 20 regs in that game.
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07-19-2012 , 12:35 AM
Yeah He was playing on the weekends the late night 3/5 game's... Played with him many times

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Originally Posted by drewvy
Does this guy Jacob Balsiger from the final nine of the WSOP play at Talking Stick?...He looks familiar and I think I've played with him before. Just curious if anyone knows for sure...He's a senior at ASU and from Tempe.
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07-19-2012 , 10:08 PM
When is the state tourney and are they running the satellite sit-n-go's up to the day it starts?
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07-20-2012 , 12:58 AM
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Originally Posted by cakeaz
When is the state tourney and are they running the satellite sit-n-go's up to the day it starts?
Info here: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/65...-14-a-1209979/

and here: http://www.talkingstickresort.com/an...mpionship.aspx
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07-21-2012 , 06:06 PM
FYI, The Gipsy Kings are playing Sun 8-19 in the Grand Ballroom. CAZ only does that for big acts, half sold out aorn.
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07-22-2012 , 07:14 AM
Some 2-3 nitreg hu4rollz'd me this morning on table 40 and then made some excuses for why he didn't want to play. On the off chance you read this, you're absolutely awful and I'd love to play you hu for hours on end.
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07-22-2012 , 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Unta8
Some 2-3 nitreg hu4rollz'd me this morning on table 40 and then made some excuses for why he didn't want to play. On the off chance you read this, you're absolutely awful and I'd love to play you hu for hours on end.
I'm pretty sure they don't care. If you want to humble them, do it at the casino. Ask the floor to get a dealer, let the whole table see him chicken out.

But it never ends up in a match even then. A story from a few days ago.

Player 1 offers Player 2 $3k to play for 4 hours, Player 2 says ok but at 20-40, Player 1 says no 200-400. Player 2 says that what I thought, you pussy.

Two players argued by the 40-80 table yesterday, one was offering the other $300 per hour to play HU 75-150 Holdem. It's not the first time they've had this discussion, the offer is genuine, but match has never gone.

Last edited by DesertCat; 07-22-2012 at 11:59 AM. Reason: Clarifies
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07-23-2012 , 02:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Unta8
Some 2-3 nitreg hu4rollz'd me this morning on table 40 and then made some excuses for why he didn't want to play. On the off chance you read this, you're absolutely awful and I'd love to play you hu for hours on end.
I can't think of a person at Caz I wouldn't play HU NL against up to 5-10
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07-23-2012 , 03:42 AM
The floors are no longer allowed to give out free rolls in the time games. I have no problem with this, in fact I think it's the way it should be. For those who don't know, it's been customary to ask for a free down, I.e. not to have to pay time for a half hour, if a game gets very short, or you are helping start a new game. Im happy to pay my $7 if I'm getting what I paid for, a dealer, a table, etc, a poker game all run honestly, fairly and well by the casino.

Raked games are different because as games get shorter the rake per player increases substantially. That's not true for time games, in fact I get more hands for my $7 per down.

But CAZ has to think about what they are giving players in return. The mix games have been enduring the training of a bunch of new dealers, who are still poor at running a basic Holdem game, and absolutely deer in the headlights awful at running mix games. Today a new dealer in a single mix down (HOB, mix doesn't get much simpler), forgets to burn twice, forgets to cut twice, deals 5 cards in O8 with no 5 card game in mix, and fails utterly in dealing every street of Badugi.

The table paid time, and what did they get? Far fewer hands than they paid for or expected, and mistakes that possibly affected the fairness of some hands. Did the house offer a refund? They absolutely should have, because they absolutely failed to deliver adequate service.

And I'm not blaming the dealer. Dealing mix is HARD, even for experienced dealers, and the regs must help dealers if they want a well run game. But why isn't the house first ensuring that mix games are only dealt by their plethora of experienced and competent dealers? Why does the game perpetually suffer from dealer mistakes?

The vast majority of experienced CAZ dealers are very good, but there is a small number of long time dealers well known to both players and floors as terrible, who never seem to improve, and yet still work often, seemingly at the expense of other, better dealers.

I have some ideas why.

There is one dealer that most CAZ regulars will recognize as trouble as soon as they come to your table. This dealer is the only dealer anywhere I have ever yelled at, or ever intentionally stiffed. They would regularly come into the mix game and chat up the players like its social hour, while making mistake after mistake almost entirely due to in-attention, dealing the wrong game, dealing in wrong player, etc., getting out fewer hands than even slow pitchers.

This dealer talks back to players, even on those rare occasions when the player didn't deserve it, and once nearly broke a game by repeatedly telling the games biggest action player that he was dumb for getting confused over whether it was a betting or drawing round, leading to the player sitting out and almost quitting. The only time i lost my temper with a dealer occured while stuck $7k and trying to get hands in to get back on track when this dealer screwed up 4 consecutive hands, while obliviously chatting away.

After a few years I made the painful decision to no longer tip this dealer until I see sustained improvement, and have been told I'm far from the only player to do so. So a few days ago this dealer deatl a Holdem down to me, and I stiff them every pot. Obviously they noticed, as I won quite a few pots that down and on their last hand I win another large pot, wherein a player had called then folded the flop while waiting for chips, so my pot was $40 short.

In this situation it's the dealers job to make sure to remind the players, as well as the incoming dealer of the debt, before leaving. The typical solid CAZ dealer almost never forgets this very important task. But this particular dealer vamoosed without saying a word. Fortunately I know I have to protect myself from them, and was prepared for this exact situation. I quickly reminded the other player, who was forced to angrily call back the vamooser to confirm the amount owed.

Now I can't say it was intentional, because this dealer makes more mistakes than any other, and also it would be accusing them of trying to rob me of $40, so I won't. But I did bring it to the attention of the floor, who said what has been told to me repeatedly for the last two years in similar situations. They can't do anything about a bad dealer unless a player fills out a signed report, to be put in the dealers file, and only maybe then might they do something about it. So no matter how many complaints customers make and how believable they are, and what the floors personal observations/beliefs are, a floor isn't empowered to do anything.

I've heard of few managerial rules this ridiculous. Essentially the casino wants to put the burden of punishing dealers on its customers, so I should decide if this dealer should be fired or suspended. CAZ can't trust their own managerial personnel? Despite my complaints, I decided to pass on filing a report for the time being, as while I don't enjoy this dealer dealing to me, I don't hate or desire to punish them or ruin their life. I would just prefer CAZ management just took positive corrective action to help them deal well and properly, so I could happily tip them like every other dealer.

But in the future, if CAZ is going to be cavalier about service quality, while never offering free rolls, I'm going to be a lot more vocal about requesting refunds on time paid for poorly dealt downs.

That, I'm happy to put in writing.

Last edited by DesertCat; 07-23-2012 at 03:49 AM. Reason: Clarity, spelling
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07-23-2012 , 05:18 AM
Did you sneak a hint into that? Bec I think I know who you're talking about and I've told him to shut up countless times and he never learns his lesson.

I've been wondering how the new dealers were doing in the mix and now I know. But I think that it'll all be ok in a few weeks. My problem is really ridiculous: CAZ would rather a rake game break than offer a greatly reduced rake short-handed and the really sad part is that all they have to do is wait a half hour or less and the game will fill. The other day they made the game break only to restart it in 40 minutes. And we can't blame the individual floors bec they are following strict rules.

OTOH, I'm pretty sure that the person you want to reach is reading this.
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07-23-2012 , 11:44 AM
I picked up on that not so subtle hint right away. There is another dealer, the opposite sex of this one, that is just as bad. It's almost as if they wait to get yelled as their cue to burn and turn. They both work the same shift, if they're the two I'm thinking of.
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07-23-2012 , 12:04 PM
lololol @ basically calling out the dealer.

And DC, do you have any background into why they stopped the freerolls? A 20 regular said he knew why and agreed with their decisions and would have done the same, but wouldn't tell me why.

I would think it would have something to do with people tipping the floor to get freerolls, but that it pure speculation with no facts to back it up.

5 of 7 people tip the floor $5 each to get a freeroll in a mixed game, and whammo, everyone saved money. /speculation
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