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11-17-2012 , 10:08 AM
Hello guys

To improve my play i wrote down the most important Handranges:

Handranges:
Top 5 %
88+, AJs+, KQs, AKo

Top 10 %
77+, A9s+, KTs+, QTs+, AJo+, KQo

Top 15 %
77+, A7s+, K9s+, QTs+, JTs, ATo+, KTo+, QJo

Top 30 %
55+, A2s+, K5s+, Q7s+, J8s+, T8s+, 98s, A7o+, A5o, K9o+, Q9o+, J9o+, T9o

Top 50 %
33+, A2s+, K2s+, Q2s+, J4s+, T6s+, 96s+, 86s+, 76s, 65s, A2o+, K5o+, Q7o+, J7o+, T7o+, 98o

Now I'm using the ICM trainer to prepare the upcoming session and he says pocket 4's are a top 24% Hand. This doesn't match with my handranges, so where can I find serious Handranges for MTT SnG's?
11-17-2012 , 10:29 AM
Theres not such a thing as a standard range and pleaaase dont try to stamp them in your head.
11-17-2012 , 10:41 AM
it depends. vs anytwo card, KJs has a better equity than A3s. But if you take a range like 99+ AJ+ KQ, A3s has a better equity than KJs against that range. so you cant create ranges like you do that are gonna be good all the time. you know what i mean?
11-17-2012 , 11:27 AM
its more importent to know that the chip value dosnt equate to $ value.

if you got 20k chips and call what you think is a flip you got CV odds but not $ev.

if you double your stack your value in dollars might increase by 70/75% but never 100%, so learn some std icm/gto before considering ranges, its far more importent and its the place where you can increase your roi the most.
11-17-2012 , 01:13 PM
Hand ranges arent absolute. This is because it depends what you are comparing it to. Also hand rankings differ a bit based on whether you push or call. A hand like 44 is good for pushing, while not so good for calling.

Hence people have different rankings. They are usually based on how they perform against different ranges of villian hands. Do a search and you will find some rankings.
11-17-2012 , 02:17 PM
It's only one programme's ranking of hands vs. another. One thing you might find odd is that pokerstove ranks AJs in the top 5%, but not AQo. I guess this is because pokerstove compares the equity of the hands vs. a random hand. Here AJs has a higher equity than AQo.
But obviously this is not useful. The ICM Trainer gives you most likely a more serious ranking of hands to shove, because it ranks hands by the equity of your hand vs. villains' (nash-equillibrium-wise and icm-wise "perfect") calling ranges, all specified for positions and effective stacksizes.
So personally I'd go with the ICM Trainer's ranges.
11-17-2012 , 04:10 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Livedk
its more importent to know that the chip value dosnt equate to $ value.

if you got 20k chips and call what you think is a flip you got CV odds but not $ev.

if you double your stack your value in dollars might increase by 70/75% but never 100%, so learn some std icm/gto before considering ranges, its far more importent and its the place where you can increase your roi the most.
Great... now threads that aren't even about ICM end up on that path, sigh.

And I would argue that learning cEV ranges would be a more appropriate first step than learning ICM/GTO.

      
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