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simple preflop spot in $8 FT, open or not?

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12-04-2011 , 07:16 AM

pkratitsbest

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Poker Stars, $7.34 Buy-in (800/1,600 blinds, 150 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #11220472

UTG+2: 29,260 (18.3 bb)
MP1: 30,061 (18.8 bb)
MP2: 45,962 (28.7 bb)
MP3: 36,938 (23.1 bb)
CO: 15,174 (9.5 bb)
BTN: 29,002 (18.1 bb)
SB: 18,631 (11.6 bb)
BB: 30,618 (19.1 bb)
Hero (UTG+1): 34,354 (21.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 8

Hero raises to 3,200, 7 folds, BB calls 1,600

Flop: (8,550) 6

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets 3,600, BB folds

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first hand of the FT, whats ur opening range here? r/c 88 against all shorties with under 13bbs?
this is either the top of my folding range or bottom of opening range. the table seems fishy and loose passive. limping with under 10bbs.. flatting all of raises.. 3xing 4xing etc.

12-04-2011 , 11:25 AM

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r/f seems fine in general vs most and call the two shorties.
I generally dont see myself folding in this spot even though the open is prlly borderline.
It also depends a lot on if the table includs some regs or not. If there are regs you wont get your open through as often i think and I might just bin it pre :-/ ( prlly never ingame though)

12-04-2011 , 01:55 PM

TVD

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r/f seems the best option I think, if they're fishy, mostly reshipping over you with KJo and you're mostly getting flips or against overpairs. Need to get pretty lucky to get your desired walk here I think.

12-04-2011 , 07:34 PM

mckrogh

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Love it. Really nice hand.

12-05-2011 , 01:20 AM

4 card brett

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ya r/f v big stacks
r/c v small stacks

wp

12-05-2011 , 11:52 AM

TVD

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 4 card brett

ya r/f v big stacks
r/c v small stacks

wp

+1
that's what I meant, but I didn't mention r/f in accordance with stack sizes

12-05-2011 , 06:46 PM

CarlosMOT

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well played

12-06-2011 , 04:34 AM

furo

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pkratitsbest

this is either the top of my folding range or bottom of opening range. the table seems fishy and loose passive. limping with under 10bbs.. flatting all of raises.. 3xing 4xing etc.

if you can r/c 88 you most likely can r/c 77 and 66 as well.
i'd openfold 22-55/AT-/KJ-

88 is not an autofold vs a 20BB stack, but w/o reads it is in these spots.

12-06-2011 , 09:46 AM

pkratitsbest

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Quote:

Originally Posted by furo

if you can r/c 88 you most likely can r/c 77 and 66 as well.
i'd openfold 22-55/AT-/KJ-

88 is not an autofold vs a 20BB stack, but w/o reads it is in these spots.

it seems like an autofold to a 20bb shove in a FT. ICM FFS (we need sth like 60% equity with ICM consideration against a 20bb shove, im lazy to calculate the exact no.)

12-06-2011 , 06:21 PM

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XMenCypher

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Quote:

Originally Posted by furo

if you can r/c 88 you most likely can r/c 77 and 66 as well.
i'd openfold 22-55/AT-/KJ-

88 is not an autofold vs a 20BB stack, but w/o reads it is in these spots.

this
when it comes to your hand, wp imo, not folding 88 on a fishy table

12-10-2011 , 10:18 PM

#11

KRUSEKRUSEKRUSE

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pkratitsbest

it seems like an autofold to a 20bb shove in a FT. ICM FFS (we need sth like 60% equity with ICM consideration against a 20bb shove, im lazy to calculate the exact no.)

Agreed.

12-12-2011 , 11:46 AM

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furo

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pkratitsbest

it seems like an autofold to a 20bb shove in a FT. ICM FFS (we need sth like 60% equity with ICM consideration against a 20bb shove, im lazy to calculate the exact no.)

seems correct.

88 is pretty strong vs droolers... and its not too hard to construct a range that 88/99 has about the same equity as AKo has against his range.

you r/f AKo?

12-12-2011 , 04:50 PM

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buckguy2200

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what do u guys think about open shoving ak here? seems bad to r/c it off

12-13-2011 , 12:14 AM

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OMGClayDol

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r/c is better than open jam

also you get more value vs fish by raising as they make ******ed rejams with terrible hands sometimes but more importantly will flat a bunch of crap and stack off when they hit their bottom pair etc

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