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11-21-2011 , 06:09 AM

thearthurdog

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Does anyone know what this based on, as all of these charts look a little bit different?

I mean is it the same math as the Kill Everyone charts (which I CANNOT find online and am sick of looking at the back of my e-book)?

Or some other model?

11-21-2011 , 06:12 AM

mckrogh

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charts sucks, period!

11-21-2011 , 06:17 AM

thearthurdog

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LOL yeah I've always played more on feel than numbers. But I had a great coaching session recently where I was advised to get to know the Kill Everyone numbers. But as I said, I'm a lazy man and going to the back of the e-book is a pain in the arse.

11-21-2011 , 09:51 AM

Laois Hammer

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Think he built them from playing around with holdem resources nash calculator with '1' as the payout structure for cEv

11-21-2011 , 10:31 AM

striiing

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Laois Hammer

Think he built them from playing around with holdem resources nash calculator with '1' as the payout structure for cEv

anyone confirm this?

11-21-2011 , 10:46 AM

mitch_gach

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sheetspwns

11-21-2011 , 06:39 PM

poporella

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sheets can learn you disciplin, that feel cant teach you!

11-22-2011 , 11:49 AM

islander32

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Quote:

Originally Posted by striiing

anyone confirm this?

sheets has his own calculator which is available to members of pxf
he used this to develop his pushbot charts.
There are vids on pxf which show how he came up with his ranges..

Some of his ranges are a little off in that there are some big changes in the ranges he suggests moving forward or back only 1 position.

eg these are his ranges for an m of 8
hj 44+ A7s+ A5s-A2s ATo+ K9s+ KJo+ Q9s+ J9s+ T9s
hj+1 99+ A7s+ A5s-A2s ATo+ KTs+ KQo QTs+ JTs

note the big jump from 99-44 from hj+1 to hj but overall they are pretty decent

11-23-2011 , 10:44 PM

HUHandEH

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Some times you just got to Nash em

Dunno...was this correct?

Poker Stars, $1.29 Buy-in (100/200 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 3 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #11122752

BTN: 18,210 (91.1 bb)
SB: 3,770 (18.9 bb)
Hero (BB): 5,020 (25.1 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with T

BTN folds, SB raises to 600, Hero raises to 5,020 and is all-in, SB calls 3,170 and is all-in

Flop: (7,540) 7

(2 players, 2 are all-in)
Turn: (7,540) 2

(2 players, 2 are all-in)
River: (7,540) 9

(2 players, 2 are all-in)

Spoiler:

Get the Flash Player to use the Hold'em Manager Replayer.

11-24-2011 , 12:22 AM

#10

Laois Hammer

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Quote:

Originally Posted by islander32

Charts came before the calculator...
The calculator is just a fancy way of looking at whats on the charts

11-24-2011 , 12:37 PM

#11

sheetsworld

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Yes they are basically GTO but there are many adjustments that need to be made over the board, as they assume all players have equal m which is almost never the case. I did a few videos which go over the various adjustments that need to be considered etc, but they are pretty much what everyone would expect.

Also, the big m ranges are really bizarre sometimes for sure....instead of just manually changing them from what GTO spits out I just leave them there. Big M push fold is pretty bizarre anyway for a number of reasons. Perhaps most surprising to some is the huge difference suitedness makes, but that extra 4-5% equity when you get called is a real big deal.

Also, bunching is NOT considered, and is again, something that needs to be adjusted for over the board.

11-24-2011 , 12:47 PM

#12

islander32

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Laois Hammer

Charts came before the calculator...
The calculator is just a fancy way of looking at whats on the charts

thanks hammer I stand corrected. Maith thú!

11-24-2011 , 03:23 PM

#13

striiing

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word

01-11-2012 , 04:47 PM

#14

Okerchamp

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www.pushbotapps.com imo

01-11-2012 , 06:03 PM

#15

martin_malin

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mckrogh

charts sucks, period!

yup

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