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View Poll Results: 18 man final table approximates closely to 9 man STT?
Yes
235 34.92%
No
413 61.37%
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25 3.71%

03-30-2011 , 04:11 PM
Fold of the instantaneous variety
03-30-2011 , 08:39 PM
I wouldn't instafold, but given stacksizes I would eventually fold
03-31-2011 , 01:01 AM
are there any threads/guides on the 180s of turbo variety? i've played tons of 4/180s, but starting out on the 3r/7/12 turbos now and aside from the 3r, i can't seem to do well
03-31-2011 , 03:35 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by benneh
are there any threads/guides on the 180s of turbo variety? i've played tons of 4/180s, but starting out on the 3r/7/12 turbos now and aside from the 3r, i can't seem to do well
shove more, call shoves lighter

you're wlecome
03-31-2011 , 03:50 AM
Should I have shoved here on the button?

    Poker Stars, $3 Buy-in (300/600 blinds, 50 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #8614762

    BB: 3,545 (5.9 bb)
    UTG: 6,410 (10.7 bb)
    MP: 4,962 (8.3 bb)
    CO: 3,158 (5.3 bb)
    Hero (BTN): 5,325 (8.9 bb)
    SB: 3,115 (5.2 bb)

    Preflop: (300) Hero is BTN with K J
    3 folds, Hero raises to 5,275 and is all-in, SB calls 2,765 and is all-in, BB calls 2,895 and is all-in

    Flop: (10,355) 7 5 7 (3 players, 3 are all-in)
    Turn: (10,355) 7 (3 players, 3 are all-in)
    River: (10,355) 6 (3 players, 3 are all-in)

    Spoiler:
    Results: 10,355 pot
    Final Board: 7 5 7 7 6
    BB showed T A and won 10,355 (6,810 net)
    Hero showed K J and lost (-3,545 net)
    SB showed A 9 and lost (-3,115 net)



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    Also, should I have shoved here in the hijack with almost 20 BB's? Thanks

    Poker Stars $3.00+$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t100/t200 Blinds + t25 - 8 players
    DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

    BTN: t1240 M = 2.48
    SB: t2765 M = 5.53
    BB: t2587 M = 5.17
    UTG: t1518 M = 3.04
    UTG+1: t3115 M = 6.23
    MP1: t1510 M = 3.02
    Hero (MP2): t3980 M = 7.96
    CO: t3340 M = 6.68

    Pre Flop: (t500) Hero is MP2 with K J
    3 folds, Hero raises to t3955 all in, 2 folds, SB calls t2640 all in, 1 fold

    Flop: (t5880) K A 9 (2 players - 2 are all in)

    Turn: (t5880) K (2 players - 2 are all in)

    River: (t5880) 7 (2 players - 2 are all in)

    Spoiler:
    Final Pot: t5880
    SB shows Td Tc (two pair, Kings and Tens)
    Hero shows Kd Js (three of a kind, Kings)
    Hero wins t5880
    03-31-2011 , 05:06 AM
    MannyDuuke:
    1.Looks good
    2.Too deep to open-shove
    But I'm a newb, so don't take my word for it.


      Full Tilt, $1 Buy-in (25/50 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #8614852

      MP3: 1,345 (26.9 bb)
      Hero (CO): 3,775 (75.5 bb)
      BTN: 2,955 (59.1 bb)
      SB: 1,435 (28.7 bb)
      BB: 1,280 (25.6 bb)
      UTG+2: 1,370 (27.4 bb)
      MP1: 2,050 (41 bb)
      MP2: 2,775 (55.5 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is CO with T T
      UTG+2 calls 50, 3 folds, Hero calls 50, BTN folds, SB completes, BB checks

      Flop: (200) T A 8 (4 players)
      SB checks, BB checks, UTG+2 bets 100, Hero raises to 500, 3 folds



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      Probably should have raised preflop.
      Is overbetting flop like this standard?
      03-31-2011 , 05:09 AM
      @mannyduuke standard shoves

      @walls raise pre ~175, as played raising to 300 is plenty to get value and play for stacks later.
      03-31-2011 , 05:52 AM
      BTN (10.2 bb) is a reg, all the others are randoms with no stats (1st hand at the table). What would be the best play in this spot?

        Poker Stars, $2 Buy-in (125/250 blinds, 25 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players


        CO: 2,625 (10.5 bb)
        BTN: 2,545 (10.2 bb)
        SB: 2,360 (9.4 bb)
        BB: 8,780 (35.1 bb)
        UTG+1: 2,560 (10.2 bb)
        UTG+2: 1,640 (6.6 bb)
        MP1: 2,925 (11.7 bb)
        Hero (MP2): 3,565 (14.3 bb)
        MP3: 6,234 (24.9 bb)

        Preflop: (225) Hero is MP2 with Q K
        3 folds, Hero ?




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        03-31-2011 , 07:29 AM
        shoving is the most profitable play

        you dont want them to think they have FE with A9/77 or something.
        03-31-2011 , 07:51 AM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by furo
        @mannyduuke standard shoves
        First one is uber standard, not sure about shoving the 2nd although i hate the idea of r/f or folding
        03-31-2011 , 08:12 AM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by YouCheckRaise
        First one is uber standard, not sure about shoving the 2nd although i hate the idea of r/f or folding
        2nd is also standard if they all have our stacksize. might be better to r/f if they all have 18BB, but shoving is fine

        with these stacksizes we cant really r/f vs 3 of them, so it becomes an automatic shove.
        03-31-2011 , 10:52 AM
        Thoughts on this hand? $3.25 45man turbo.

        I felt villain repped way too narrow a value range on the river and called. He either had a 6 or airballs IMO. Let me know if my thought process is missing something here.

        Grabbed by Holdem Manager
        NL Holdem $30(BB) Replayer
        SB ($3,005)
        BB ($1,045)
        UTG ($1,390)
        UTG+1 ($1,455)
        UTG+2 ($1,490)
        Hero ($1,425)
        CO ($1,575)
        BTN ($2,115)

        Dealt to Hero 9 9

        fold, fold, UTG+2 calls $30, Hero raises to $120, fold, fold, SB calls $105, fold, UTG+2 calls $90

        FLOP ($390) 6 4 6

        SB checks, UTG+2 checks, Hero bets $255, SB calls $255, UTG+2 folds

        TURN ($900) 6 4 6 Q

        SB checks, Hero checks

        RIVER ($900) 6 4 6 Q Q

        SB bets $675, Hero calls $675

        Also, just double-checking if my call on flop is correct here vs a villain trying to stop-n-go.

        Grabbed by Holdem Manager
        NL Holdem $200(BB) Replayer
        SB ($1,135)
        BB ($1,620)
        UTG ($2,230)
        UTG+1 ($9,185)
        Hero ($5,195)
        MP1 ($2,869)
        CO ($965)
        BTN ($2,685)

        Dealt to Hero A 9

        fold, fold, Hero raises to $450, fold, fold, fold, fold, BB calls $250

        FLOP ($1,000) T 5 9

        BB bets $1,000, Hero raises to $3,000, BB calls $170 (AI)

        TURN ($3,340) T 5 9 K

        RIVER ($3,340) T 5 9 K 8

        Last edited by JackHighFTW; 03-31-2011 at 10:55 AM. Reason: Added a hand.
        03-31-2011 , 11:04 AM
        I guess both hands are a bit dependent on reads/stats of villain. Hand #1 all you beat is a bluff, I think I can find a fold there. I feel a call is bad as it's for a significant portion of your stack, and if you're going to call wouldn't you rather shove? I wouldn't want to be left with 13bb at level2.

        Hand #2 had you seen villain take a similar line before? I don't like getting it in here but there are enough draws in his range to make it worthwhile...seems like a donkshove to me
        03-31-2011 , 11:23 AM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by 2trips
        Hand #1 all you beat is a bluff
        I didn't have much of read, just getting started with the session.

        I just couldn't put him on a hand that flats flop/checks turn/bets 675 (for value?) on the river. I really didn't think he'd bet that much with either a 6 or a Q. If he bet more value-ish on the river I'd probably fold though.

        Quote:
        Originally Posted by 2trips
        Hand #2 had you seen villain take a similar line before? I don't like getting it in here but there are enough draws in his range to make it worthwhile...seems like a donkshove to me
        I thought he was doing this

        http://www.sitandgoplanet.com/sitand...op_And_Go.html

        in which case I think he could have a really really wide range here.
        03-31-2011 , 12:00 PM
        I'm familiar with stop-n-go, but is the random villain?
        03-31-2011 , 02:46 PM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by JackHighFTW
        Grabbed by Holdem Manager
        NL Holdem $200(BB) Replayer
        SB ($1,135)
        BB ($1,620)
        UTG ($2,230)
        UTG+1 ($9,185)
        Hero ($5,195)
        MP1 ($2,869)
        CO ($965)
        BTN ($2,685)

        Dealt to Hero A 9

        fold, fold, Hero raises to $450, fold, fold, fold, fold, BB calls $250

        FLOP ($1,000) T 5 9

        BB bets $1,000, Hero raises to $3,000, BB calls $170 (AI)

        TURN ($3,340) T 5 9 K

        RIVER ($3,340) T 5 9 K 8
        Shove this pre imo, biggest stack behind you is only 14 BBs.
        03-31-2011 , 02:51 PM
        its ft and CO is a good reg, what is your range here guys?

        PokerStars NLHE Tournament, ($33+$3), t2500/t5000/t500 blinds, 7 handed
        UTG: t37787 6.9 BBs{Player|UTG|37787|Fold|500}
        UTG+1: t17964 3.3 BBs{Player|UTG+1|17964|Fold|500}
        UTG+2: t45663 8.3 BBs{Player|UTG+2|45663|Fold|500}
        CO: t101248 18 BBs{Player|CO|101248|Push|101248|Average|43}
        BTN: t19522 3.5 BBs{Player|BTN|19522|Fold|500}
        Hero: t26974 4.9 BBs{Player|Hero|26974|4h|4c}
        BB: t20842 3.8 BBs{Player|BB|20842|Call|20842|Average|64|64}

        Preflop: Hero is SB with XX
        3 folds, CO pushes t101248 , 1 fold, Hero?
        03-31-2011 , 08:20 PM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by pyxlius
        its ft and CO is a good reg, what is your range here guys?

        PokerStars NLHE Tournament, ($33+$3), t2500/t5000/t500 blinds, 7 handed
        UTG: t37787 6.9 BBs{Player|UTG|37787|Fold|500}
        UTG+1: t17964 3.3 BBs{Player|UTG+1|17964|Fold|500}
        UTG+2: t45663 8.3 BBs{Player|UTG+2|45663|Fold|500}
        CO: t101248 18 BBs{Player|CO|101248|Push|101248|Average|43}
        BTN: t19522 3.5 BBs{Player|BTN|19522|Fold|500}
        Hero: t26974 4.9 BBs{Player|Hero|26974|4h|4c}
        BB: t20842 3.8 BBs{Player|BB|20842|Call|20842|Average|64|64}

        Preflop: Hero is SB with XX
        3 folds, CO pushes t101248 , 1 fold, Hero?
        Stacks suck, but i cant see myself folding 77+ A10s AJo possibly KQs

        Last edited by Syker12; 03-31-2011 at 08:33 PM. Reason: soooted LDO
        03-31-2011 , 08:28 PM
        I think 66+ ATo A9s KQs is probably close.

        It depends a fair bit on which reg though, some will be close to ATC here, others will be like top 20%. Instead of naming the reg though, try to decide what his range is, and post that.
        03-31-2011 , 08:34 PM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by WhiteRabbito
        I think 66+ ATo A9s KQs is probably close.

        It depends a fair bit on which reg though, some will be close to ATC here, others will be like top 20%. Instead of naming the reg though, try to decide what his range is, and post that.
        Meh...... nit's
        03-31-2011 , 10:00 PM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by topher123890
        Shove this pre imo, biggest stack behind you is only 14 BBs.
        Makes sense.

        But as played, call right?
        04-01-2011 , 05:58 AM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by WhiteRabbito
        I think 66+ ATo A9s KQs is probably close.

        It depends a fair bit on which reg though, some will be close to ATC here, others will be like top 20%. Instead of naming the reg though, try to decide what his range is, and post that.
        he is def one of those regs whose range here is wider. I would say at least 30-35%.
        04-01-2011 , 11:14 AM
        Here's a hand that hurt my brain a little today:

        Poker Stars No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t300.00/t600.00 Blinds - 7 players
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        BB: t3936.00 6.56 BBs
        UTG: t4170.00 6.95 BBs
        UTG+1: t6375.00 10.62 BBs
        Hero (MP): t7290.00 12.15 BBs
        CO: t3735.00 6.22 BBs
        BTN: t1970.00 3.28 BBs
        SB: t4980.00 8.30 BBs

        Pre Flop: (t900) Hero is MP with T A
        UTG raises to t4120, 1 fold, Hero raises to t7240, 4 folds

        Flop: (t9140) 6 5 K (2 players)

        Turn: (t9140) 3 (2 players)

        River: (t9140) 8 (2 players)






        Villain is little better than breakeven at the 12's over a 1.5k sample, aslso b/e at the 180's over 1k sample. Dont have many hands on him like 32 and he runs at 19/13, obviously depending on his style of play he should be jamming fairly wide here + A10 crushes the range he should be shoving, our utilty is really important atm and we dont really have to get involved, is this too much of spot to pass up??! Or should i let it go??
        04-01-2011 , 12:11 PM
        He has 6.5bb, his range will definitely be wide enough for AT to be a call there. He will be pushing with a lot of weaker aces, Kx, Qx.. etc Pretty wide.
        Also looking at out stack, we have just over 11bbs and the blinds will go up soon, this is a great spot to add some chips to our stack.

        I'm planning on adding 7.7 180s to my sessions, what are the differences between 2s and 7s? Are they a lot tougher? Should I be afraid of this at all or should I just try them out?
        04-01-2011 , 01:05 PM
        Just pretend they are 2s, they are the same game. There just might be a couple more regs on your table that's all.

              
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