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02-24-2011 , 10:59 PM

#2076

battster41

grinder

Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 544

yea, thats me. where did you find those?

Last edited by battster41; 02-24-2011 at 11:25 PM.

02-24-2011 , 11:00 PM

#2077

ftn_chris

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 5,539

FOR WHAT IT IS WORTH:

BU 35.7%, 22+ Ax+ K4s+ K9o+ Q6s+ QTo+ J7s+ JTo T7s+ T9o 97s+ 86s+ 76s
SB (calling) 10.7%, 66+ A8s+ A9o+ KQs

battmeister: yesssssssssssssss. i laughed for like 10 minutes. i'll delete the link if you want

02-24-2011 , 11:02 PM

#2078

Mrn42

journeyman

Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 367

LOLOL sweet pics

02-24-2011 , 11:06 PM

#2079

battster41

grinder

Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 544

Quote:

Originally Posted by ftn_chris

yes.. please delete the link. thanks.

02-24-2011 , 11:18 PM

#2080

sopoRific

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 7,225

Quote:

Originally Posted by battster41

yes.. please delete the link. thanks.

Don't forget to delete the link in your 2076 post.

02-24-2011 , 11:21 PM

#2081

ftn_chris

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 5,539

yeah you got 10 minutes hahaha

02-24-2011 , 11:26 PM

#2082

battster41

grinder

Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 544

i made it private now so you fiends cant look at it now.

02-24-2011 , 11:27 PM

#2083

battster41

grinder

Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 544

ftn chris..are you really folding A5o+ there with 8bb against a wide reg on the button?

02-24-2011 , 11:36 PM

#2084

ftn_chris

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 5,539

you told me i ****ing sucked and now i dont feel qualified to give you advice and even if i did you would logically have to ignore it.

02-25-2011 , 05:22 AM

#2085

SenseiSingh

banned

Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 8,379

Quote:

Originally Posted by battster41

ftn chris..are you really folding A5o+ there with 8bb against a wide reg on the button?

you are better off making marginal shoves than marginal calls

02-25-2011 , 08:58 PM

#2086

JHolsinger88

adept

Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 1,191

What's our range here? Standard shove?

Poker Stars No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t400.00/t800.00 Blinds - 7 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter By DeucesCracked Poker Videos

UTG: t10610.00 13.26 BBs
UTG+1: t8880.00 11.10 BBs
Hero (MP): t11025.00 13.78 BBs
CO: t23345.00 29.18 BBs
BTN: t6410.00 8.01 BBs
SB: t12835.00 16.04 BBs
BB: t10820.00 13.53 BBs

Pre Flop: (t1200) Hero is MP with 6

2 folds, Hero raises to t10950, CO raises to t21100, 3 folds

Flop: (t23100) T

(2 players)

Turn: (t23100) 3

(2 players)

River: (t23100) J

(2 players)

02-25-2011 , 09:08 PM

#2087

ftn_chris

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 5,539

Quote:

Originally Posted by JHolsinger88

2 folds, Hero raises to t10950, CO raises to t21100, 3 folds

Flop: (t23100) T

(2 players)

Turn: (t23100) 3

(2 players)

River: (t23100) J

(2 players)

22 is a very happy shove here.

without knowing who the people behind you, you can shove a bit wider than 23.4%, 22+ A2s+ A9o+ K7s+ KTo+ Q8s+ QJo J8s+ JTo T8s+ 98s

http://www.holdemresources.net/hr/sn...=10820&s8=&s9=

i assumed there are antes of 75. might be 100?

02-25-2011 , 09:37 PM

#2088

SkinnyStax

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 3,604

Just moved to table. SHove or fold?

Poker Stars $2.00+$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t100/t200 Blinds - 8 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter By DeucesCracked Poker Videos

Hero (SB): t2450 12.25 BBs
BB: t1738 8.69 BBs
UTG: t2235 11.18 BBs
UTG+1: t1240 6.20 BBs
MP1: t1420 7.10 BBs
MP2: t1228 6.14 BBs
CO: t6150 30.75 BBs
BTN: t3425 17.12 BBs

Pre Flop: (t300) Hero is SB with T

6 folds, [color=red]Hero

02-25-2011 , 09:40 PM

#2089

chopitup

journeyman

Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 276

Quote:

Originally Posted by SkinnyStax

6 folds, [color=red]Hero

I'd fold that

02-26-2011 , 01:12 AM

#2090

sopoRific

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 7,225

Quote:

Originally Posted by SkinnyStax

6 folds, [color=red]Hero

Villain would have to call at least 40% of the time for this to be a bad shove. Shove.

02-26-2011 , 03:00 AM

#2091

SenseiSingh

banned

Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 8,379

Quote:

Originally Posted by SkinnyStax

6 folds, [color=red]Hero

shove it but pre ante i might fold sometimes just to lower my steal percentage

02-26-2011 , 07:03 PM

#2092

Gyakutenno

newbie

Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 22

Quote:

Originally Posted by SkinnyStax

6 folds, [color=red]Hero

Shove easy....45% range shove 44+,A2s+,K2s+,Q4s+,J6s+,T6s+,96s+,86s+,76s,A2o+,K6 o+,Q8o+,J8o+,T8o+,98o

02-26-2011 , 09:04 PM

#2093

WhiteRabbito

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 4,512

180-man Scenario:

BB is has ~1.5bb total, committed to calling our shove. It's some blind level with antes.

How should this affect our shoving range? Does it change anything?

I assume that it wont change our EP/MP shoving ranges as I don't really think it matters if we get it in with the bottom of our range there vs BBs ATC. Perhaps though, we should be removing the bottom of our LP shoving range?

Does our perceived range change to standard villains? Do they think we are tighter because BB is going to be calling 100%?

I thought this would provide an interesting talking point, anyone have thoughts?

02-26-2011 , 09:05 PM

#2094

Shai Hulud

old hand

Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 1,919

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gyakutenno

Shove easy....45% range shove 44+,A2s+,K2s+,Q4s+,J6s+,T6s+,96s+,86s+,76s,A2o+,K6 o+,Q8o+,J8o+,T8o+,98o

T5o is not in that range. I am confused.

02-26-2011 , 09:13 PM

#2095

ftn_chris

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 5,539

Quote:

Originally Posted by WhiteRabbito

the profit we get from shoving the bottom end of our range comes from fold equity and since we have none it tightens our range up a bit. just look at the difference between these.

http://www.holdemresources.net/hr/sn...8=1000&s9=1000

http://www.holdemresources.net/hr/sn...s8=1000&s9=150

02-26-2011 , 09:33 PM

#2096

WhiteRabbito

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 4,512

Ok thats surprising that you need to drop that much out of ur UTG shoving range. I just did it at 150/300/25 and pretty much the same results, thanks for the links.

02-27-2011 , 08:20 AM

#2097

kan0

adept

Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 913

Villain has shoved any two a couple of times and stayed in the tournament,

Easy ISO? Or position means that I should fold it?

Poker Stars $3.00+$0.30 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t600/t1200 Blinds + t125 - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter By DeucesCracked Poker Videos

UTG: t31890 M = 10.90
UTG+1: t7975 M = 2.73
Hero (UTG+2): t25525 M = 8.73
MP1: t30975 M = 10.59
MP2: t19170 M = 6.55
CO: t48445 M = 16.56
BTN: t27250 M = 9.32
SB: t11155 M = 3.81
BB: t21625 M = 7.39

Pre Flop: (t2925) Hero is UTG+2 with 8

1 fold, UTG+1 raises to t7850 all in,

Hero?

02-27-2011 , 09:31 AM

#2098

SenseiSingh

banned

Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 8,379

Quote:

Originally Posted by kan0

1 fold, UTG+1 raises to t7850 all in,

Hero?

shove here what else you gonna do?

02-27-2011 , 06:15 PM

#2099

chipsnfish

enthusiast

Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 71

Quote:

Originally Posted by rmfan31

shove is fine and u shouldnt be in $ev mode yet, esp with ur stack.

ok thanks

next one
last 4 12$ 180

No Limit Holdem Tournament
PokerStars
4 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com
$11+$1

Stacks:
CO *Projekt420* (163k)
BTN McBride1983 (28k)
SB razorsharp33 (12k)
BB Hero (67k)

Blinds: 2.5k/5k Ante 500

Pre-Flop: (9.5k, 4 players) Hero is BB K

*Projekt420* raises to 14k, 2 folds, Hero ?,

Villain is a spewdonk betcalling everything and I dont think he will ever fold here, though I do think that I crush his betcall range

fold/shove?

02-27-2011 , 06:34 PM

#2100

SkinnyStax

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 3,604

Quote:

Originally Posted by chipsnfish

*Projekt420* raises to 14k, 2 folds, Hero ?,

Villain is a spewdonk betcalling everything and I dont think he will ever fold here, though I do think that I crush his betcall range

fold/shove?

Are you serious? You know you crush his betcall range and you want to fold AK w/ 11bbs vs a bad villain? Dude...

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