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View Poll Results: 18 man final table approximates closely to 9 man STT?

Yes

235 34.92%

413 61.37%

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25 3.71%

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02-14-2011 , 11:28 AM

#1926

TJJT

adept

Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 938

meh, i think so..u will def got called by much worse from what i've seen

02-14-2011 , 12:33 PM

#1927

streetwalkincheeta

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 5,132

Quote:

Originally Posted by JDOL69

Yo, pretty standart willing to go broke PF with AK in 45's early levels?

This cannot be answered properly,it obviously depends on a lot of things.On a As3s6h flop against a random in a $3/45,sure,against a 3bet from a reg in a $12,not so much.

02-14-2011 , 02:25 PM

#1928

ftn_chris

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 5,539

Quote:

Originally Posted by streetwalkincheeta

This cannot be answered properly,it obviously depends on a lot of things.On a As3s6h flop against a random in a $3/45,sure,against a 3bet from a reg in a $12,not so much.

pf stands for preflop herp derp

02-14-2011 , 03:32 PM

#1929

streetwalkincheeta

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 5,132

Quote:

Originally Posted by ftn_chris

pf stands for preflop herp derp

But if you know what the flop is going to be?

Oh well,misread the question,it depends.

02-14-2011 , 05:12 PM

#1930

rmfan31

adept

Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 825

Quote:

Originally Posted by martin_malin

mostly nits and BTN is only good reg

54s+ spot right?

Poker Stars $2.00+$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t2500/t5000 Blinds + t500 - 7 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter By DeucesCracked Poker Videos

MP: t45320 M = 4.12
CO: t3853 M = 0.35
BTN: t60050 M = 5.46
SB: t12971 M = 1.18
BB: t84139 M = 7.65
UTG: t25292 M = 2.30
Hero (UTG+1): t38375 M = 3.49

Pre Flop: (t11000) Hero is UTG+1 with 5

1 fold, Hero raises to t37875 all in,

sb's stack is what makes this questionable for me. CO prob doesnt ever fold which isnt really a problem but i wouldnt love to showdown 54. altho ive shown down worse and ppl still call way too tight so idk.

Last edited by rmfan31; 02-14-2011 at 05:13 PM. Reason: icm would make this an easy fold obv

02-14-2011 , 07:44 PM

#1931

WhiteRabbito

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 4,512

Final 4 of a $36 180. The other two stacks are shorter than me, but all three of us are short relative to the blinds. I think BB is in a spitey mood. K9 is still too good to fold here right?

4th place gets $475.20, 3rd gets $706.86, 2nd will get $1188, 1st $1782

PokerStars - $33+$3|2500/5000 NL (9 max) - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BB: 168,118.00
UTG: 27,942.00
BTN: 30,064.00
Hero (SB): 43,876.00

BB posts ante 500.00, UTG posts ante 500.00, BTN posts ante 500.00, Hero posts ante 500.00, Hero posts SB 2,500.00, BB posts BB 5,000.00

Pre Flop: (9500.00) Hero has 9

fold, fold, Hero raises to 43,376.00 and is all-in

02-14-2011 , 07:56 PM

#1932

ftn_chris

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 5,539

just barely go all in but i dont think either choice matters too much

edit:
SB 34.2%, 22+ Ax+ K3s+ K9o+ Q8s+ QTo+ J7s+ JTo T7s+ 97s+ 87s 76s
BB 22.2%, 22+ A2s+ A5o+ K9s+ KTo+ QTs+

spitier makes it icm fold, being cool and having a stack makes it a shove. seems pretty inconsequential.

02-14-2011 , 08:07 PM

#1933

WhiteRabbito

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 4,512

alright cool, i thought it was pretty darn close. thanks chris

02-14-2011 , 10:44 PM

#1934

SkinnyStax

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 3,604

Reads on villain are that he snap checks flop and turn and called quickly and is 31/4 over only 26 hands. Anyone not bet turn?

Poker Stars $2.00+$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t75/t150 Blinds + t20 - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter By DeucesCracked Poker Videos

BB: t14318 M = 35.35
UTG: t4750 M = 11.73
UTG+1: t11880 M = 29.33
UTG+2: t8315 M = 20.53
MP1: t11507 M = 28.41
MP2: t10060 M = 24.84
CO: t7058 M = 17.43
Hero (BTN): t16924 M = 41.79
SB: t7896 M = 19.50

Pre Flop: (t405) Hero is BTN with 9

6 folds, Hero raises to t362, 1 fold, BB calls t212

Flop: (t979) 9

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t626, BB calls t626

Turn: (t2231) 7

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t1427, BB calls t1427

River: (t5085) K

(2 players)
BB bets t3000, Hero

02-15-2011 , 12:58 AM

#1935

nastyyy

grinder

Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 447

Full Tilt Poker $3 + $0.30 KO No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t60/t120 Blinds - 8 players - View hand 1178988
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

UTG: t9050 75.42 BBs
UTG+1: t15940 132.83 BBs
Hero (MP1): t2410 20.08 BBs
MP2: t7835 65.29 BBs
CO: t2180 18.17 BBs
BTN: t4710 39.25 BBs
SB: t11210 93.42 BBs
BB: t4225 35.21 BBs

Pre Flop: (t180) Hero is MP1 with T

UTG raises to t9050 all in, 1 fold, Hero requests TIME, Hero calls t2410 all in

Was this a good call? The guy just shoves in 75bbs in my face UTG. The reason I called is because I thought he could do this with a lot of small pairs and AK or AQ.

02-15-2011 , 01:08 AM

#1936

WhiteRabbito

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 4,512

if it was a random you've never seen before, yes this call is fine.

02-15-2011 , 01:20 AM

#1937

ftn_chris

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 5,539

pretty sure i always fold there and hate being dealt jj. randoms usually have it when they do that! call obv if youve seen him do it before with other than the tits.

02-15-2011 , 01:24 AM

#1938

WhiteRabbito

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 4,512

wat no way, randoms always have ~AT there.

another thing i notice is that he has exactly 3x starting stack which makes me think he has done the same thing twice before (or once before and got 2x action) which makes me more inclined to believe he has random ****

02-15-2011 , 01:28 AM

#1939

ftn_chris

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 5,539

ftp has clearly introduced 3q ko sngs and hes the only guy with an appreciation for max value. move along.

02-15-2011 , 06:38 AM

#1940

furo

deviation of equilibrium

Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 29,639

Quote:

Originally Posted by ftn_chris

pretty sure i always fold there and hate being dealt jj

i'd call with JJ here. not sure why we should hate it.
if he has QQ/KK whatever.

02-15-2011 , 06:42 AM

#1941

ftn_chris

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 5,539

i can call and hate it at the same time. this generation is incredible at multitasking.

02-15-2011 , 11:38 AM

#1942

JDOL69

newbie

Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 31

This is 45 mans FT.

I would push this hard pretty always, but SngNit is suggesting me the opposite. Should I really be pushing that tight of a range? And is there a difference of pushing range if I have 4bb stack or 8bb stack?

Do I really fold 22 or A5o type hands here, confused :/

I think Im pushing a bit too wide lately in early position and middle position.

Lets exchange with thoughts, happy pushing, cheers

02-15-2011 , 01:19 PM

#1943

jmbreslin

old hand

Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,286

Damned if you do, damned if you don't. I hate K8o there but you're moving into EP the next few hands and will get slapped by the blinds soon. If you're finding yourself in lots of these spots, it could be that you're missing some good spots earlier. Is K8o really the best you've seen in the past 5 hands?

02-15-2011 , 02:01 PM

#1944

ftn_chris

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 5,539

not even itm gtfo out of $EV and win some chips!

02-15-2011 , 07:12 PM

#1945

JDOL69

newbie

Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 31

Quote:

Originally Posted by jmbreslin

Pushed JTo from MP into 4bb stacks before the FT and lost flip with AK, nothing fancy.

02-15-2011 , 09:03 PM

#1946

Shai Hulud

old hand

Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 1,919

Quote:

Originally Posted by ftn_chris

not even itm gtfo out of $EV and win some chips!

$EV is relevant since he is at the final table. It doesn't matter whether he's ITM yet.

02-15-2011 , 09:52 PM

#1947

ftn_chris

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 5,539

no it kinda does for the same reason that the first hand of a 9 person sng should be kinda close to cEV! at some point you gotta win chips and finishing 7th isnt worth too much in a 45

02-15-2011 , 11:01 PM

#1948

sopoRific

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 7,225

Quote:

Originally Posted by JDOL69

Those ranges are a bit loose IMO. It's break-even if I keep BB's calling range at 19% and go around and set everyone's ranges to 10% when someone pushes and 5% when 2+ people push.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ftn_chris

no it kinda does for the same reason that the first hand of a 9 person sng should be kinda close to cEV!

wat is this i don't even