Villain is 18/9 with a 6% 3bet. On this evidence I think it's a marginal fold, but the hand before, this guy gave me half his stack with top pair on a 943 board when I callingstationed the way down with 1010. So he could be mildly tilted.


Poker Stars $2.00+$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t150/t300 Blinds + t25 - 8 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BTN: t20342 M = 31.30
SB: t12040 M = 18.52
BB: t1510 M = 2.32
UTG: t3520 M = 5.42
UTG+1: t5020 M = 7.72
MP1: t12940 M = 19.91
Hero (MP2): t13632 M = 20.97
CO: t4140 M = 6.37

Pre Flop: (t650) Hero is MP2 with T T
3 folds, Hero raises to t900, 1 fold, BTN raises to t20317 all in

Hero...?

Are the 1.10 45 games on stars beatable? They just seem so brutal variance I've been running through all my late game moves in SNG Wiz and a good chunk (90% atleast) have been correct and I'm running 25 buy-ins below EV. Are there just too many lucky maniacs to make these profitable and I should just move up to the 3.40s?

I can't tell you from experience but I'll be shocked if there's any visible improvement in the players from $1 sngs to $3.
25 buyins is not a lot for these at all. I started a stake for 2/180s yesterday, binked a win within the first few tournaments but subsequently went on/am on a 50+buyin downswong. Just gotta ride it through, if you keep seeing that you're getting it in good then you can't do any more than keep doing it and sooner or later, it'll be your turn to run standardly/good.

CO is 33/13 with 43% blind steal attempt.

$3.25 45 man turbo @ Stars

Blinds 75/150 + 25 ante

SB ($3,380)
Hero ($2,705)
UTG ($3,550)
UTG+1 ($5,415)
UTG+2 ($2,890)
MP1 ($1,590)
CO ($6,100)
BTN ($2,450)

Dealt to Hero 9 9

fold, fold, fold, fold, CO raises to $1,000, fold, fold,

Hero ???

Is this a fist-pump all in, or maybe even a fold?

it would help to know the blinds level....

Read your own quote (75/150 + 25)

you must have edited meanwhile... the first time i read the post that info wasn't there, but here's my 2 cents....

With that blind steal % i would gamble, although you're not short stacked you need to accumulate chips.

for 45s this is WAYY off. its closer to 10k games. in the 6$/$12 45s ppl aren't really beating 45s for but maybe 15%...

wow 10k!!?? surely not?

The harsh truth lol, though 5k gives you an ok indication.

Is that within in 20% or 5% though?

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Villain is 18/9 with a 6% 3bet. On this evidence I think it's a marginal fold, but the hand before, this guy gave me half his stack with top pair on a 943 board when I callingstationed the way down with 1010. So he could be mildly tilted.


Poker Stars $2.00+$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t150/t300 Blinds + t25 - 8 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BTN: t20342 M = 31.30
SB: t12040 M = 18.52
BB: t1510 M = 2.32
UTG: t3520 M = 5.42
UTG+1: t5020 M = 7.72
MP1: t12940 M = 19.91
Hero (MP2): t13632 M = 20.97
CO: t4140 M = 6.37

Pre Flop: (t650) Hero is MP2 with T T
3 folds, Hero raises to t900, 1 fold, BTN raises to t20317 all in

Hero...?


and secondly...(in before fold pre, I know I know).


Poker Stars $2.00+$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t800/t1600 Blinds + t150 - 9 players
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UTG: t22835 M = 6.09
UTG+1: t4218 M = 1.12
UTG+2: t60310 M = 16.08
MP1: t17697 M = 4.72
Hero (MP2): t57306 M = 15.28
CO: t59125 M = 15.77
BTN: t20910 M = 5.58
SB: t9214 M = 2.46
BB: t18385 M = 4.90

Pre Flop: (t3750) Hero is MP2 with Q T
2 folds, UTG+2 calls t1600, 1 fold, Hero calls t1600, 3 folds, BB checks

Flop: (t6950) 6 Q 8 (3 players)
BB checks, UTG+2 checks, Hero bets t3700, BB folds, UTG+2 calls t3700

Turn: (t14350) J (2 players)
UTG+2 bets t4800, Hero....

1st hand. I'd make my raise size a little smaller. probably like 750 and you could probably go smaller but 2.5 is ok. and i'd fold the tens. i mean its such a huge spazzy shove for 45 bbs...

2nd hand. like you said...fold pre lol...but as play i guess i fold the turn....we really don't beat anything...and i assume this is the FT of a 180? if so you for sure shouldn't be limping. our chips should be put to better use!

20%


We also discuss 18m - 45m hands itt ?

Darn, so here I'm thinking I'm pretty good for running with a ROI of 72% with 154 games....

What do you mean by itt?


This is sort of hard for me to believe, 5k games?! Really? I guess I find it hard to believe because I grew up playing games with little luck orientation but 5k(or maybe my ego refuses to believe I'm running super hot atm)?

Cheers Harry, yeah I did fold both instances. Like you say, I just don't see what we're beating on the second hand that he donkbets the turn with. Yeah it was the ft of a 180, I came over all button-clicky for some reason, I fold the Q10 pretty much every time there. Thanks for the post.

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You're never gonna get that ROI after 5k games, 40% in the 180's you will be amongst the top players for that BI (2$). 20% ish in the 45 up until the 6's probably.

Go crush 'em now

I assume the 1k/2k sample size was speaking for the 45 man FTP games?

Oh yeah I didn't expect to run that hot throughout, but in the back of my mind I guess I thought it was a decent chance to be at 30-40% but if the pros run at 40% I'm probably 25-30% and just running good; and really that's being optimistic.

What does FTP mean? If it means Full Tilt Poker yeah I'm talking about the 45 SnG but at Pokerstars

Hey guys, I need some help with setting the correct edge% in SNG Wizard. I play mostly 180's, so I would assume that I have to take as many small edges as possible, but I'm not sure one what the correct edge% should be. I opened up a hand which SNG wiz says I played incorrectly heads-up (I shoved, and it suggests a fold). I know I have to adjust the calling range (which I did), but what is the correct edge% to set? Right now it says .25 which seems pretty big. Once I scale it to set the edge below .2 then it becomes a shove against the villain's calling range. Screenie below:


What would you suggest the edge% to be here? Is there an article that goes in detail on how you should adjust the edge% in a 180-man? I just can't see ever folding k5s here head-up with a 10x effective stack, especially when it's a +cEV play to be making against any calling range that my opponent has.





Also, another hand that I found strange with the advice I was given. We're 7-handed, and UTG shoves (calls?) for less than the big blind. It fold around to the small blind who has a 3 big blind stack. The SB completes leaving just under 2 big blinds behind. I have A6s in the big blind and shove. It suggests that this is only a profitable play by an edge% of .01 which seems really small. And when I adjust the call% to be slightly tighter than the open % it actually makes it a -EV play, which makes no sense to me if I'm getting the villain to fold for that small amount. And how would I play this if I do check? If I check and villain shoves the flop it just puts me in a weird spot.

i dont have wiz but both spots are std shoves to me.
an edge is an edge.

To determine the right edge at the different stages of the game is an art, takes alot of experience!
That is what takes a successful SNG playr apart from a break even player.
But those shoves are standart.

With the K5s, I assume you meant $EV and not cEV as you are heads up. Regardless, K5s is still a shove for that effective stack size.

My question is, should I take every $EV spot in these? If not, what edge should I look for?

Idk if you should go with $ev HU, but thats me