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View Poll Results: 18 man final table approximates closely to 9 man STT?
Yes
235 34.92%
No
413 61.37%
Other (post comment)
25 3.71%

09-04-2010 , 04:26 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ExpectedV
Easy shove atc for sure.
villain is calling with ~25%, still a shove with atc?
09-04-2010 , 07:51 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by edmis
villain is calling with ~25%, still a shove with atc?
yes
09-04-2010 , 08:33 AM
Poker Stars $2.00+$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t25/t50 Blinds - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

MP1: t1380 27.60 BBs
MP2: t1775 35.50 BBs
Hero (CO): t1445 28.90 BBs
BTN: t3370 67.40 BBs
SB: t1420 28.40 BBs
BB: t1580 31.60 BBs
UTG: t1480 29.60 BBs
UTG+1: t1620 32.40 BBs
UTG+2: t2380 47.60 BBs

Pre Flop: (t75) Hero is CO with A K
3 folds, MP1 calls t50, 1 fold, Hero raises to t175, BTN calls t175, SB calls t150, 1 fold, MP1 calls t125

Flop: (t750) T Q T (4 players)
SB checks, MP1 bets t50, Hero ???

What is your default in this spot? Flat right?
09-04-2010 , 08:35 AM
Sorry thought this was like a quick check up thread, guess it's only for shoves...
09-04-2010 , 10:24 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cr@ckers717
Poker Stars $2.00+$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t25/t50 Blinds - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

MP1: t1380 27.60 BBs
MP2: t1775 35.50 BBs
Hero (CO): t1445 28.90 BBs
BTN: t3370 67.40 BBs
SB: t1420 28.40 BBs
BB: t1580 31.60 BBs
UTG: t1480 29.60 BBs
UTG+1: t1620 32.40 BBs
UTG+2: t2380 47.60 BBs

Pre Flop: (t75) Hero is CO with A K
3 folds, MP1 calls t50, 1 fold, Hero raises to t175, BTN calls t175, SB calls t150, 1 fold, MP1 calls t125

Flop: (t750) T Q T (4 players)
SB checks, MP1 bets t50, Hero ???

What is your default in this spot? Flat right?
yes, flat. However if villain bets 1/2 - 2/3 pot here I just fold.
09-04-2010 , 10:25 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bdaewn
yes
because the wizard says so?
09-04-2010 , 04:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cr@ckers717
Poker Stars $2.00+$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t25/t50 Blinds - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

MP1: t1380 27.60 BBs
MP2: t1775 35.50 BBs
Hero (CO): t1445 28.90 BBs
BTN: t3370 67.40 BBs
SB: t1420 28.40 BBs
BB: t1580 31.60 BBs
UTG: t1480 29.60 BBs
UTG+1: t1620 32.40 BBs
UTG+2: t2380 47.60 BBs

Pre Flop: (t75) Hero is CO with A K
3 folds, MP1 calls t50, 1 fold, Hero raises to t175, BTN calls t175, SB calls t150, 1 fold, MP1 calls t125

Flop: (t750) T Q T (4 players)
SB checks, MP1 bets t50, Hero ???

What is your default in this spot? Flat right?
shoveee
09-04-2010 , 05:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Howtown
Some shove spots from 12/45's where we're far from the money and a call spot where we are in the money.

Could you say if some of these are ATC shoves (<---) also. ty.

Hand #1
Poker Stars $11+$1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t200/t400 Blinds + t25 - 8 players - View hand 788010
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CO: t4838 M = 6.05
Hero (BTN): t2125 M = 2.66
SB: t4750 M = 5.94
BB: t2115 M = 2.64
UTG: t7030 M = 8.79
UTG+1: t11012 M = 13.77
MP1: t4625 M = 5.78
MP2: t3855 M = 4.82

Pre Flop: (t800) Hero is BTN with 3 9
5 folds, [color=red]Hero?



Quote:
Originally Posted by Protential
FOLD, unless villains left to act are really bad.
shove unless you're really bad

Last edited by skater3598; 09-04-2010 at 05:52 PM. Reason: :-P
09-04-2010 , 05:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SamuraiPlaya
Ive never read any of this stuff nor do I use any programs and I beat every game. But ya thx for trying to make the games tuffer, they'll read all this and still play like sh it imo... (the fish anyways)
09-04-2010 , 06:10 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Okerchamp
Two Final Table ICM spots

Hand 1

Poker Stars $11+$1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t1000/t2000 Blinds + t200 - 8 players
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Hero (UTG): t15507 M = 3.37
UTG+1: t33550 M = 7.29
MP1: t87937 M = 19.12
MP2: t23345 M = 5.08
CO: t21843 M = 4.75
BTN: t25550 M = 5.55
SB: t17304 M = 3.76
BB: t44964 M = 9.77

Pre Flop: (t4600) Hero is UTG with A 5
Hero?


Hand 2

Poker Stars $11+$1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t1000/t2000 Blinds + t200 - 6 players
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Hero (UTG): t15707 M = 3.74
MP: t29350 M = 6.99
CO: t83737 M = 19.94
BTN: t45388 M = 10.81
SB: t28950 M = 6.89
BB: t66868 M = 15.92

Pre Flop: (t4200) Hero is UTG with J 9
Hero?
Quote:
Originally Posted by BAEVentures
Def shoving hand 2 six handed. Hand 1 is closer. Depending on what folks have been calling with and my image I think to determine shove/fold here.
shove way worse for both
09-04-2010 , 06:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by robhimself
Probably a fine shove from the SB, from the button with such a short SB and and an 11 bb effective stack against the BB shoving here is a mistake IMO. I play pretty insanely shove happy from 23 players left on in these, but this is too bold for my liking. I suppose if you thought the sb was a total nit who wanted to mincash and thus was calling with AK QQ+ which is pretty ridiculous and the bb was nitty as hell too calling maybe TT+ AQ+ then this would be +ev.
so much hellmuth style advice ITT... these are not arbitrary decisions... or at least when you're shoving it's hardly arbitrary... people are saying "fold if you're not comfortable", "fold in a $2 game" or "fold unless they're donks" or whatever far too frequently when speaking of what is a pretty much solved game. more questions about what to call with in spots would be more worthwhile because it makes you think about how much equity your hand has versus different ranges and is actually a bit interesting. fwiw i believe most of you are probably calling too wayyyyyy too tight and it's definitely correct because people are so horribly tight, but most would be suprised at how loose they should actually call versus looser/good villains.

Last edited by skater3598; 09-04-2010 at 06:39 PM. Reason: thread's dangerous :-)
09-04-2010 , 06:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by raimis
Rush 135man so no reads

Full Tilt Poker $4 + $0.40 Rush No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t15/t30 Blinds - 9 players
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BTN: t2000 M = 44.44
SB: t2075 M = 46.11
BB: t2000 M = 44.44
UTG: t2000 M = 44.44
UTG+1: t2000 M = 44.44
Hero (UTG+2): t1970 M = 43.78
MP1: t1985 M = 44.11
MP2: t2000 M = 44.44
CO: t1985 M = 44.11

Pre Flop: (t45) Hero is UTG+2 with J J
UTG raises to t330, 1 folds, Hero?
"crying fold" that but it's probably not close and an easy fold... that spot actually sucks with QQ but i wouldn't be capable of folding QQ in a small buyin or rush tournament... i think this is one of those spots where it's so marginal (and so early on) that you should be folding it because your edge is large enough to pass it up
09-04-2010 , 07:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by opqpop
Hi, I'm new so just wanted a check on these hands. Thanks!

These are $2 180 turbos

Poker Stars $2.00+$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t150/t300 Blinds + t25 - 8 players

UTG+1: t4175 M = 6.42
MP1: t3945 M = 6.07
MP2: t11178 M = 17.20
CO: t6475 M = 9.96
Hero (BTN): t3590 M = 5.52
SB: t3425 M = 5.27
BB: t8990 M = 13.83
UTG: t3595 M = 5.53

Pre Flop: (t650) Hero is BTN with 8 T
4 folds, CO calls t300, Hero ?


Poker Stars $2.00+$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t200/t400 Blinds + t50 - 9 players

UTG: t1587 M = 1.51
UTG+1: t4575 M = 4.36
UTG+2: t1860 M = 1.77
MP1: t2963 M = 2.82
MP2: t21684 M = 20.65
CO: t3210 M = 3.06
BTN: t11900 M = 11.33
Hero (SB): t8695 M = 8.28
BB: t11330 M = 10.79

Pre Flop: (t1050) Hero is SB with T T
3 folds, MP1 calls t400, 2 folds, BTN calls t400, Hero ?

Poker Stars $2.00+$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t1500/t3000 Blinds + t300 - 6 players

This is the FT.

SB: t60580 M = 9.62
BB: t46652 M = 7.41
Hero (UTG): t14528 M = 2.31
MP: t84874 M = 13.47
CO: t7786 M = 1.24
BTN: t55580 M = 8.82

Pre Flop: (t6300) Hero is UTG with 2 A
Hero ?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Protential
all are shoves.
#1 is a shove? i'd fold. either way saying it's a shove and not mentioning any math is just arrogant seeming. cmon you can set a good precedent for your first stickied thread with some math instead of encouraging all these awful personalities to come out and boast about how easy of a shove that is, or whatever. big LOL at the egos ITT i bet you all talk a lot of **** while playing too (like me!)... having a big ego about this **** is so repulsive... it is no real suprise that a game that's easy as **** has fathered a bunch of thousandaire ****head kids as scummy as the average 21 year old live 1/2 grinder who think they're the ****... protential i'm not aiming this at you at all, just got caught up reading this thread for too long and given the chance to bitch at a bunch of arrogant SNG players in an elongated form i'm going to take it. please keep repeating your mistakes and berating the fish everyone, you awesome poker guize.

Last edited by skater3598; 09-04-2010 at 07:31 PM. Reason: .
09-04-2010 , 09:07 PM
$1.75/18

Poker Stars $1.50+$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t600/t1200 Blinds + t75 - 3 players
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Hero (BTN): t11609 M = 5.73
SB: t3650 M = 1.80
BB: t11741 M = 5.80

Pre Flop: (t2025) Hero is BTN with two cards

The opponents are tight and passive. What range do you shove?
09-04-2010 , 10:40 PM
Second hand of 18 man Sit n Go 0 read on villain... was line too passive PF, F & T and do you call all in on river?


Full Tilt Poker $1 + $0.20 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t15/t30 Blinds - 9 players
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BTN: t1560 52 BBs
SB: t1470 49 BBs
BB: t1470 49 BBs
UTG: t1500 50 BBs
UTG+1: t1500 50 BBs
UTG+2: t1500 50 BBs
MP1: t1500 50 BBs
MP2: t1500 50 BBs
Hero (CO): t1500 50 BBs

Pre Flop: (t45) Hero is CO with K K
3 folds, MP1 calls t30, 1 fold, Hero raises to t105, 1 fold, SB calls t90, BB calls t75, 1 fold

Flop: (t345) Q T 5 (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets t210, SB folds, BB calls t210

Turn: (t765) 8 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t300, BB calls t300

River: (t1365) 9 (2 players)
BB bets t855 all in
09-04-2010 , 10:44 PM
It's early, make it a full 4x pre, even 5x.

Flop looks OK, proportionately.

Turn is too small for the draws on board, either bet bigger or check behind for pot control.

River is pretty meh, this being the first time he's bet I alternate either swear/call or swear/fold, pretty sure swear/fold is correct.
09-05-2010 , 12:03 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SGT RJ
It's early, make it a full 4x pre, even 5x.

Flop looks OK, proportionately.

Turn is too small for the draws on board, either bet bigger or check behind for pot control.

River is pretty meh, this being the first time he's bet I alternate either swear/call or swear/fold, pretty sure swear/fold is correct.
You like 3x + 1/limper preflop? What's your proffered bet on the turn?

Really struggling with walking the line between killing action and pricing people in
09-05-2010 , 01:27 AM
565/call on turn.

as played fold river. check/call, check/call, shove is usually the nuts at this level.
09-05-2010 , 03:29 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bojahc
$1.75/18

Poker Stars $1.50+$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t600/t1200 Blinds + t75 - 3 players
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Hero (BTN): t11609 M = 5.73
SB: t3650 M = 1.80
BB: t11741 M = 5.80

Pre Flop: (t2025) Hero is BTN with two cards

The opponents are tight and passive. What range do you shove?
ATC or close to ATC i think
09-05-2010 , 04:04 AM
Poker Stars $3.00+$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t75/t150 Blinds - 8 players
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CO: t1995 13.30 BBs
BTN: t1235 8.23 BBs
Hero (SB): t1823 12.15 BBs
BB: t1327 8.85 BBs
UTG: t2830 18.87 BBs
UTG+1: t1405 9.37 BBs
MP1: t2650 17.67 BBs
MP2: t1825 12.17 BBs

Pre Flop: (t225) Hero is SB with xx
7 folds

Checking up on a few ranges.

What range do you think BB calls here if I shove ATC if a) bb is a random b) bb is a decent reg and knows I shove light.
09-05-2010 , 05:12 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Supergaijin
You like 3x + 1/limper preflop? What's your proffered bet on the turn?

Really struggling with walking the line between killing action and pricing people in
yeah i know what ya mean, but i think you should not worry to much about pricing someone in most of the time, unless its something like a river value bet and your betting an amount to be called by some of villians range.

just bet big and give villian a chance to make some mistakes
09-05-2010 , 05:55 AM
Preflop you can make it even more than 4x-5x.
I often make it 7x 8x and get a lot of calls.
With weaker holdings i dont bet that much. This is very exploitable, but no worry they wont recognize.
09-05-2010 , 06:29 AM
I'd push on the turn. All-in can look weak and maybe you're called by top or midpair. Of course, if he calls with any draw you've done well to get all the chips in when way ahead. As played, fold river–*you really can't beat anything but a bluff and you don't have any read on villain to justify a call.
09-05-2010 , 07:32 AM
a) prolly not much wider than A5s+ A8o+ KJ/pairs, maybe you fold even 22-55 cause he does not want to flip.
b) pairs, J9s+ JTo+ Ax K7o+ K5s+ or something like that if you shove ATC.
09-05-2010 , 08:57 AM
Need some advice on 3.40$/18m early-game/mid-game on Stars!

Willing to pay some ( not much |: ), for some insightful advice/tips/counselling.

      
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