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12-09-2011 , 05:40 PM

AcidManner

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[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $13.78 Buy-in (200/400 blinds, 25 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 7 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #11275332

MP3: 4,655 (11.6 bb)
CO: 3,448 (8.6 bb)
BTN: 3,655 (9.1 bb)
SB: 4,845 (12.1 bb)
BB: 1,975 (4.9 bb)
Hero (MP1): 7,748 (19.4 bb)
MP2: 9,012 (22.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 3

Hero ?

How to play 22-77?

12-09-2011 , 05:49 PM

AcidManner

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Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 382

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[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $13.78 Buy-in (50/100 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 7 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #11275342

BTN: 4,511 (45.1 bb)
SB: 1,345 (13.5 bb)
BB: 2,338 (23.4 bb)
Hero (MP1): 2,405 (24.1 bb)
MP2: 1,961 (19.6 bb)
MP3: 1,532 (15.3 bb)
CO: 1,496 (15 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 7

Hero ?

how to play 22-77?

12-09-2011 , 10:03 PM

OMGClayDol

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u can just fold, or raise/call the shortest guys.
hand 2 you can just raise fold to all but i often just fold as you can't call anyone and the hand doesn't play that well post

12-10-2011 , 05:45 AM

AcidManner

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i know what is technically possible, askin what is more +ev

12-10-2011 , 07:56 PM

Longy

old hand

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I fold them both, though opening hand 2 to something like 200-250 is fine as well.

12-10-2011 , 08:42 PM

KRUSEKRUSEKRUSE

newbie

Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 27

Folding both will probably show most long term positive EV

I think raising both will probably show negative EV long term.
The 2nd hand really depends on the players behind you. If they like flatting you with suited connectors and broadway hands and stuff it is definitely going to make life hard on you.

Just fold

12-10-2011 , 11:53 PM

heffs976

adept

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fold

12-11-2011 , 01:01 AM

OMGClayDol

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folding is neutral ev therefore the question is - is raising +ev or not, if so we do it, if not we don't etc. it's really marginal. if you have to ask tbh i lean towards fold (it's marginal to the point where imo small postflop decisions and such when flatted will determime whether profitable or not and even then it's marginal as said so whatever)

12-11-2011 , 02:04 AM

striiing

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hand 1. your in the shipping lane and there could be somalian pirates lurking so i would just fold. id f you min raise people will 3 bet you and then you have to call if you ship then you will most likely be flipping/crushed if anyone calls.

hand 2. i would min raise here and hope to take it down pre/see a flop in position.

12-11-2011 , 07:42 AM

#10

musaire

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In turbo tournaments where usually most of the players have short stacks most of the time I don't know why you should try to play a hand that is not good enough for going all in against most players who'd decide to call/reraise. So I think it would be -EV to play these hands.
Because you would lose with these hands trying to play against the field this big and you can't set mine also because the stacks are short.

But I think you know all this already.
Pretty elementary actually. Can't fight the short stacks with bad hands.

12-11-2011 , 08:07 AM

#11

AcidManner

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Could someone tell me how to filter 22-88 12-30BBs deep from early and mid positions in holdem manager?

12-11-2011 , 08:54 AM

#12

pkratitsbest

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Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 3,035

Fold 1st hand for sure. Fold 2nd hand in most tables pre-ante. If the table is nitty enough, mr

12-12-2011 , 04:17 AM

#13

Eamonhonda

enthusiast

Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 55

Folding this at this stage in tourney , first two levels call cheap to setmine but this late I reckon anything but a fold is -ev

12-12-2011 , 08:22 AM

#14

AcidManner

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always though this way:
1) minraise pre => +cev from FE
2) when some reshoves => +cev because pot odds

12-12-2011 , 08:40 AM

#15

furo

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AcidManner

always though this way:
1) minraise pre => +cev from FE
2) when some reshoves => +cev because pot odds

can you explain it a little more detailed?
I'm not sure i understand what you ask, i'm also not sure you understand what you want to ask

your hand does not really matter unless you get called, so you would rather have AJ than 77 here if you just want to win blinds since AJo has blockers to hands they will play (Ax/broadawys) whereas 77 has blockers to hands they will fold (72o,J7s, etc).
but if they go all-in you would rather have 77 then AJo since their most likely hands to go-allin are AQ+/99+

12-12-2011 , 01:49 PM

#16

robwa

grinder

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Fold pre, unless you can call some ppl down when they ship

12-12-2011 , 04:20 PM

#17

AcidManner

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Quote:

Originally Posted by furo

of course i would rather have AA here but my question is what to do with low PPs ( i cant ever fold AJ here)

We must to differentiate hands, we are in different situations.
My though in spot was that when we minraise it is profitable itself cause fold equity. So when minraise and give up every flop except flops when we get poker it is profitable. SO THIS IS +EV PROFITABLE SITUATION NUMBER 1.

And we do not need to worry about reshoves because we have pot odds for calling shortacks. + EV SITUATION NUMBER 2.

So what are we worrying about?

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