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im confused about 180mans bubble and ft ranges im confused about 180mans bubble and ft ranges

09-14-2011 , 10:54 AM
sorry for big ammount of threads last time but im really confused right now

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/19...-sngs-1084594/

very good player asnwered in this thread for some question :

":Very astute observation stinbag. Your absolutely right that cEV does not work w/ 15 players or less in a 45man and probably 24 players or less in 180 mans (actually there is no magic cutoff, cEV doesnt work right from the very beginning but its close enough to be a good guide for the first half of the tourney). The problem there is no great solution using SNGwiz at least that I know of. The best way you can see the problem is to put the 18 man payout structure in and mess around w/ $EV vs. cEV with 9 or 8 players left and see how much cEV and $EV diverge. This situation is somewhat equivalent to 14 left in a 45man and say 18 left in a 180 man. Do that and you'll see why you have to be tighter than cEV in SNGwiz w/ 2 tables left"

so sng wizard in 180mans with cev model works really fine and we have to find any ev+ spot from 19 to 180 ppl but when its 18 ppl and less we have hybrid our range with $ model or just play tighter then sng wiz say's in cEV
when we put 0 edge

for example hand from semiFT

PokerStars Game #67469977637: Tournament #440964578, $2.28+$0.22 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XV (1000/2000) - 2011/09/14 0:35:55 CET [2011/09/13 18:35:55 ET]
Table '440964578 9' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: Ragna83 (20238 in chips)
Seat 2: utcza (29384 in chips)



    Poker Stars, $2.28 Buy-in (1,000/2,000 blinds, 200 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #10574902

    BB: 20,238 (10.1 bb)
    UTG: 29,384 (14.7 bb)
    MP: 37,387 (18.7 bb)
    Hero (CO): 32,081 (16 bb)
    BTN: 21,996 (11 bb)
    SB: 19,298 (9.6 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with Q 5
    5 folds

    Spoiler:
    Results: 3,200 pot
    BB mucked and won 3,200 (2,000 net)



    Get the Flash Player to use the Hold'em Manager Replayer.


    lets say we are playing vs randoms, i put very optimal range for these 3 players in left (maybe too wide for 2-3% ) and wiz says its ev+ shove with range 95% but really ? like MUD say we have to tighter our range in spots like this listen sng wiz and make ev+ shove?

    Sorry guys for stupid questions but i dont know what to do really,i just started playing 180mans without big knownlage of them and for first 10 days i had really good scores with putting volume like 100 games / day but when i started analising my game like 20-30 hand histories / day and started finding any ev+ spots like wiz say after put optimal opponents range my roi went down by like 30% and i feel im missing something

    imo my game is very good until semift, and then i think im doing it wrong


    so here my question any tips to improve my game in FT and SEMI FT? i dont want studing these spots in sng wiz when i dont know telling me right?

    any tips please
    09-15-2011 , 01:33 AM
    If it says +EV to shove 95% then you have put too tight ranges..

          
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