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01-09-2013 , 02:51 AM
    Poker Stars, $4.10 Buy-in (500/1,000 blinds, 100 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

    SB: 38,470 (38.5 bb)
    Hero (BB): 20,520 (20.5 bb)
    UTG: 90,755 (90.8 bb)
    MP: 59,308 (59.3 bb)
    CO: 45,352 (45.4 bb)
    BTN: 15,595 (15.6 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with K 5
    2 folds, CO calls 1,000, BTN folds, SB completes, Hero checks

    Flop: (3,600) 6 Q 7 (3 players)




    My question is ,what is the play there?
    Different approach appreciate.
    CO is week passive player, SB plays aggresive(Does it even matter?)
    Thanks in advance.
    01-09-2013 , 03:02 AM
    I dont want end up shoving this OTF, check if possible or call up to 3/4 pot bet. If CO is weak passive I dont like donkbet as expect him to call and then you probably need to bet turn.
    Other scenario is when sb donks you can raise him which should get CO away so you get position and evaluate OTT but would fold to 4bet
    01-09-2013 , 04:28 AM
    I like lead here,cause limper is wide as phuck here and folds majority of his range.If he 3b flop,Im gettin in it cause we have ton of equity (40% if he calls there with aces lol) and he might even call with worse and occasionally fold some Qx with these stack sizes.

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by szepard
    I dont want end up shoving this OTF, check if possible or call up to 3/4 pot bet???. If CO is weak passive I dont like donkbet as expect him to call and then you probably need to bet turn.
    Other scenario is when sb donks you can raise him which should get CO away so you get position and evaluate OTT but would fold to 4bet
    why you intend to 4b/fold 20bb?thats burning money.
    x/shove is better.
    01-09-2013 , 04:47 AM
    I meant if sb leads and we 3bet OTF (CO folds) and we face 4b from sb I fold then because 40/60 dog is not where I want to be 20bb
    01-09-2013 , 04:55 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by szepard
    I meant if sb leads and we 3bet OTF (CO folds) and we face 4b from sb I fold then because 40/60 dog is not where I want to be 20bb
    How can you 4bet bluff EVER on 20bb? thats awfully bad bro
    01-09-2013 , 04:58 AM
    Hmm I dont think you understand what I wrote.

    3 players in limped pot and we are on BB. Sb leads out, we 3bet, Co folds, Sb 4bet, we fold
    01-09-2013 , 05:10 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by szepard
    Hmm I dont think you understand what I wrote.

    3 players in limped pot and we are on BB. Sb leads out, we 3bet, Co folds, Sb 4bet, we fold
    haha rite but still - why you 3bet flop with unmade hand with qood equity ,when ur not gonna gii? that makes no sense
    01-09-2013 , 05:22 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by pimpek
    haha rite but still - why you 3bet flop with unmade hand with qood equity ,when ur not gonna gii? that makes no sense
    Because when sb barrels turn good size of a pot I cant chase my draw so I need to fold anyway and if so I want to win the pot on the flop (I count on CO to fold in this scenario) and if sb 4bet over my 3bet my FD sucks
    01-09-2013 , 05:35 AM
    Lol u suck so hard
    01-09-2013 , 05:35 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by szepard
    Because when sb barrels turn good size of a pot I cant chase my draw so I need to fold anyway and if so I want to win the pot on the flop (I count on CO to fold in this scenario) and if sb 4bet over my 3bet my FD sucks
    im tired of repeating you'r burning money 3b/folding that flop ,but if this is your std play I'm ok with this as your +Ev for me
    01-09-2013 , 05:37 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Gildo
    Lol u suck so hard
    ur very clever
    01-09-2013 , 05:46 AM
    Yeah just go all in every time you have FD cause you probably alwayes gonna hit it
    01-09-2013 , 05:50 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Gildo
    Lol u suck so hard
    that is the best line, no doubt
    01-09-2013 , 06:47 AM
    First of all, OTF if SB bets, we raise (not 3bet).
    If sb check here im gonna lead into this pot every time, as we have a weak passive CO in front of us and agressive sb on whom we have position. I guess a lead between 1.6-1.9k is oke here.
    If sb leads here we cannot shove cause it will be a massive overshove. So im thinking if sb leads were raise/call off our stack. So if sb leads 2k we raise to 4.8k and shove turn.

    The question is bout ''profitable play'' here. So my opinnion is without doubt, that the most profitable line is to take control on the flop here, by betting if checked to us, or to raise our agro sb opponent if he leads.
    01-09-2013 , 10:06 AM
    If sb checks I'm betting.
    01-09-2013 , 10:20 AM
    Bet the flop. Is SB bets, evaluate his sizing and call if it's cheap enough. IF you wanted to raise, you are not deep enough to fold to a 3bet.
    01-09-2013 , 10:22 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by szepard
    Hmm I dont think you understand what I wrote.

    3 players in limped pot and we are on BB. Sb leads out, we 3bet, Co folds, Sb 4bet, we fold
    I'm assuming that SBs "4 bet" will be a jam.

    Do the math. Say he bets 1,800 and we raise to 4,500 and he jams.

    It will cost us about 15,000 to win a pot of about 43,000. We only need 35% and with a flush draw and an over I can't fold. Even giving him a tight range as below we are still 40%.

    Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

    42,570 games 0.000 secs 8,514,000 games/sec

    Board: 6h 7h Qc
    Dead:

    equity win tie pots won pots tied
    Hand 0: 40.477% 40.48% 00.00% 17231 0.00 { Kh5h }
    Hand 1: 59.523% 59.52% 00.00% 25339 0.00 { 77-66, AhQh, KQs, Q9s+, AQo, KQo, QJo }





    Now if we add in a bunch of straight draws and 'other' flush draws we are 50%

    Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

    77,220 games 0.000 secs 15,444,000 games/sec

    Board: 6h 7h Qc
    Dead:

    equity win tie pots won pots tied
    Hand 0: 52.007% 51.83% 00.17% 40025 134.50 { Kh5h }
    Hand 1: 47.993% 47.82% 00.17% 36926 134.50 { 77-66, AhQh, AhJh, AhTh, Ah9h, Ah8h, Ah7h, KQs, Q9s+, JhTh, Jh9h, Th9h, 98s, 54s, AQo, KQo, QJo, 98o, 54o }
    01-09-2013 , 10:40 AM
    I dont care about 5% edge 20bb deep with this 15 min blind structure. It is good for turbos or shortstack play. If someone wants to call it its fine but with these odds it is like a flip and I dont call there. I use my edge somewhere else
    01-09-2013 , 10:48 AM
    3bet folding would be awful, lead the flop if SB checks
    01-09-2013 , 11:08 AM
    I'm fine with raising SB if he bets or calling to see a turn card. Remember we got a 3rd player in this pot who if we let him will chase a draw we are dominating plus we got position on SB. SB may not barrel off all his gut shots and ace high hands just cause we are playing the hand passively and we got the read that he is aggressive. So for me I'd need stronger reads about SB as well as the rest of the table we are at to decide whther its better to raise & get it in or fold.
    01-09-2013 , 02:11 PM
    Thanks for reply.

    Action was:
    SB checks I lead for 2100 and get raised by CO to 3100.
    What then?
    01-11-2013 , 07:53 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by easypizi
    Thanks for reply.

    Action was:
    SB checks I lead for 2100 and get raised by CO to 3100.
    What then?
    All in.

          
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