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11-25-2015 , 11:37 AM
Should I be 3betting this hand on CO vs utg open + caller?
Both villains are playing very loose.
Is call better than raising mp flop bet?
I'm confused I get myself in these situations quite often and play for stacks.




    Poker Stars, $7.34 Buy-in (15/30 blinds, 4 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37174612

    MP3: 1,665 (55.5 bb)
    Hero (CO): 1,969 (65.6 bb)
    BTN: 2,046 (68.2 bb)
    SB: 2,065 (68.8 bb)
    BB: 865 (28.8 bb)
    UTG+1: 1,153 (38.4 bb)
    UTG+2: 1,436 (47.9 bb)
    MP1: 2,642 (88.1 bb)
    MP2: 1,328 (44.3 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with Q K
    UTG+1 raises to 90, UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls 90, 2 folds, Hero calls 90, BTN folds, SB calls 75, BB folds

    Flop: (426) 9 7 K (4 players)
    SB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 bets 270, Hero raises to 615, SB folds, UTG+1 calls 615, MP1 raises to 1,110, Hero raises to 1,875 and is all-in, UTG+1 calls 444 and is all-in, MP1 calls 765

    Turn: (5,235) J (3 players, 2 are all-in)
    River: (5,235) 9 (3 players, 2 are all-in)

    Spoiler:
    Results: 5,235 pot
    Final Board: 9 7 K J 9
    Hero showed Q K and lost (-1,969 net)
    SB mucked and lost (-94 net)
    UTG+1 showed T J and lost (-1,153 net)
    MP1 showed K T and won 5,235 (3,266 net)



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    11-25-2015 , 12:17 PM
    Before i comment lets just say im new to this format and im a nit, but here's my thoughts.

    Buy calling pre we are now playing the suited straightening part of our hand which is fine. i dont want to call pre and get 65bb in on a one pair hand when 4 people have seen the flop.

    if we only call pre we can bet for value with tpgk but we are not looking to get our stack in with it.

    having said that you got it in good soooooooo
    11-25-2015 , 01:31 PM
    pre is fine
    flop just jam when he raises looks weaker
    11-26-2015 , 07:29 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Nofear47
    pre is fine
    flop just jam when he raises looks weaker
    Im surprised! I wouldn't of thought we should be getting our stack in here. Even when we get it in good as op did here our hand is unlikely to improve. I would of thought that hands that get it in vs us will always have decent equity vs us even if they haven't got us dominated.

    Are villains really going to get there stack in with worse hands very often kj for example.

    I guess im still to tight for the player pool at these.
    11-26-2015 , 08:27 AM
    URgantha,as i see your comments,you're most obv pretty tight for this pool
    if we flatted,i think we have to GII on mp action, but its like SIGH shove and not much profitable... it's interesting spot however... if OR is not some nit,i like to squeeze here
    11-26-2015 , 08:38 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by nomalice
    URgantha,as i see your comments,you're most obv pretty tight for this pool
    if we flatted,i think we have to GII on mp action, but its like SIGH shove and not much profitable... it's interesting spot however... if OR is not some nit,i like to squeeze here
    yeah I defo got to loosen up for this pool. so many peeps will get in top pair no kicker whatever the action in so many spots. Coming from reg infested $7-15 6 max where their very icm aware under much greater icm pressure and there are just no spewtards. well in the daytime when i can play anyway.
    11-26-2015 , 07:28 PM
    I was deciding whether to 3bet pre to play hu pot vs utg+1 raiser.
    I can't imagine decent reg in mp flatting hand stronger than KQs vs utg+1 raiser which means I could 3bet and get him to fold middle pair and suited aces. Both player had insane vpip/pfr.
    11-27-2015 , 10:22 AM
    Pre is fine no point in 3b kings, because we're not calling 4b even if villains are incredibly loose.

    Flop is whatever, don't want to get 60 bbs in on that flop. That hits MP range really well, as he's never betting that flop, without a hand that doesn't have better equity then ours. But obviously gotta stack off, if villains are way too loose. 8s are pretty fun, because people just always do stuff like this.

    URagnatha nit
    11-27-2015 , 05:14 PM
    +469, don't mind 3b here to 260ish, can always play dead on flops. Wouldn't with original stack.

    As played, meh, happens.

    If you 3b pre IP, you have flop FE and if you get donked into, you have a clearer picture than just a multiway mess like this is.
    11-28-2015 , 12:19 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by blank0909
    I was deciding whether to 3bet pre to play hu pot vs utg+1 raiser.
    I can't imagine decent reg in mp flatting hand stronger than KQs vs utg+1 raiser which means I could 3bet and get him to fold middle pair and suited aces. Both player had insane vpip/pfr.
    Think both options are fine with these reads. If they are that insane aggro they will prolly just flat ur 3 bet anyway
    11-29-2015 , 12:19 PM
    Flatting 3b's is pure win though.
    11-30-2015 , 11:54 AM
    calling pre seems better than raising or folding. You likely fold if button or blinds squeeze giving up the 90, as they will have AK, AQ or pairs where your flipping at best. They not folding those hands if you raise pre so you just lose more, and I don't mind them calling with weaker hands pre.
    I view KQs as a decent multiway hand, and happy to have it with position at loose table like this.

    you could of flatted on flop, but I hate calling 260 out of 1879 stack then folding on turn when Js hits. MP1 is going to value town you on turn, hoping to pot commit you and stack you on river.

    imo, UTG+1 raising with 10Js is a donk. MP player calling 3x with K10s is an even bigger donk. I just don't see either of those plays being profitable.

    10Js is more of a late position raising hand or calling a small raise in multiway pot with position after flop. Sure he flopped double gutter, but with no spade, why is he willing to check flop, then stack of there. Just horrible. MP+1 flops TP, 2nd nut flush. once he bets 260, he's not folding if you shipped it on flop anyway..

    I'd expect to see someone having a set, AK etc for three players to get in on flop there, given there was a 3x raise pre. but given that everyone is pricing themselves in by their horrid play, not shocked to see the straight draw and flush draw willing to stack off.

    imo, You got it in good and lost.
    11-30-2015 , 04:10 PM
    Gigabet had a post years back.

    So I'll throw up a one-liner: Learn to fold top pair. Evolve.

          
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