no reads
right odds to see flop?
jam? fold?

no stats??

i peel always vs an unknown w/o reads or stats. I dont see why we should 4bet w/o more info as we fold his bluffs and waste our hand, or worse we get snapped by hands that crush us.

Obv we have to fold to the cbet alot postflop and so it could be a leak but if villain is bluffing he's gonna cbet A and dry flops with a J so we'll pick them off.

He'll also get his 77-TT outflopped by our AJ when we peel a decent amount so over all my gut is a peel is slightly>fold>4bet/gii

Peeling with KJo is really bad, he's goona cbet 99%, you gonna fold most of the times, and sometimes you gonna hit your TP and lose anyway.
His seizing indicates a strong range, i guess he would shove his midpairs and AQ so just let it go.

woops sorry for some reason i misread OP (thought we had AJo).

KJ is a fold preflop for me also unless we have a maniacal 3bettor

with no reads i wouldnt mind going allin there

going all in with KJ here is terrible, and even worse without reads. this must be a level.

lol what would be your opening range in the buton?

top 23% maybe even tighter

i.e. any pair (22-AA)

A5s+
A8o+
Broadways

and your point is?

that must be a level
1) you such a nit opening 23% on the button
2) you open 23% and play back with smth like 8%(99+ KQ+AJ+) so you fold 2/3 of the time. bb raise and put 525 to win 525 so if you fold more than 50% of the time he can do it profitably with any two so he is exploiting you

you must defend more often and if bb is 3beting a range that you need to fold KJ if he 3bet, then he is not 3beting that often and you can openraise more often. dont know if that what clear though

my head really hurts now because you are talking so much nonsense.

lol sorry my bad

Great reply sir.

hahaha its so absurd that it makes me laugh. i explain in depth why it is a mistake and he respond thats nonsense without saying why...

at this stage of the 180 mans being on the slighty more passive side is fine. ie. stealing 75+150=225 i.e. hoping to add 8% to my stack by opening wide to steal OTB doesnt seem optimal.
in these stages i think preserving your stack for when antes kick in is more optimal all the while waiting for better spots vs weak players (while there are some still left).

aside: you say i'm exploitable because i'll fold to a reraise 2/3 of the time when i only open 23%...

how does villain (unknown) automatically assume so (since i'm an unknown in his eyes also). i really dont get that assumption.

Since you slag me for not giving a explanation (and me just saying my head hurts) it is partly because your argument is poorly written and incoherent.

I must also commend you on your fantastic earlier exposition of why KJ is a jam.

Apparently it's a jam because........

"you wouldn't mind doing it"......classic .

you know what? english is not my first language and i suck at explaining things and i suck at poker. But im here to improve in all of those areas. you must be better than me and it look like you want the last word or smth, so ill stop arguing with you cause i just want to discuss friendly with people.
anyway gl at the table

dont worry about your english, i struggle with Spanish and i know the feeling.

i don't want to come on here and be an assh*le either as i am far from perfect myself.

i'm an ok player but a long long way from the finished article. like you i am trying to learn and improve. only just started playing on Pokerstars this last week and a half (before that i played on euro sites for a few years mainly at low stakes Mtts) and so am very eager to get my head around these 180 mans as i suspect they are quite a profitable format if you can figure out what will work.

let's make or best efforts to explain ourselves with good logic and rationale in future and i'm sure we'll both be the better for it.

peace,

AlexDeLarge

folding looks better for me, with antes probably shove against min raising (depending on players left to act)

You really need to if you wouldnt mind going allin in this spot with KJo.
And you clearly didnt play a lot of 180. Most players play really tight up to 75/150 in the 8$.
With no information i would assume he's a weak reg, and his seizing is really exploitable, he's gonna make it 650-700 with AA-KK, 700-800 with QQ-JJ, AK and his bluff range (i dont think he has one, but w/e), shove hands like 66-1010 and AQ AJs, and call the rest like 22-55,Axs, KQ and some suited broadways.

prob jam the first time since this hand sucks to r/gii
your default should be r/f if you mr this

You have a nice stack to get to the ante stage (which is where you get all of your edge in 180's) kjo reshove here is way to thin vs an unknown. Regs only play nuts pre antes and fish will snap you off with a2

i have played a lot of 180s