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/180 Final 3 ATo vs flop donkbet /180 Final 3 ATo vs flop donkbet

01-23-2014 , 08:45 AM
Down to the last three. Preflop had been very aggressive with lots of 3-betting vs. standard raises which is why I called opp's 3-bet.

Now that we've missed the flop, standard play would of course be to fold to the donkbet, but can anybody find a shove over in this spot? If he has AA, KK or Kx I'm hosed, but vs. anything else (assuming he doesn't do this with 44 or 22) a shove should win the hand. Thoughts?

[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $7.34 Buy-in (2,500/5,000 blinds, 500 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 3 Players
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SB: 65,122 (13 bb)
BB: 112,192 (22.4 bb)
Hero (BTN): 92,686 (18.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with A T
Hero raises to 10,000, SB folds, BB raises to 20,000, Hero calls 10,000

Flop: (44,000) K 4 2 (2 players)
BB bets 15,000, Hero ???
01-23-2014 , 10:44 AM
I prefer to 4b- shove PF rather than 3bshove flop at this spot. Is probably not the most optimal play (didn't do any math yet) but ATx is not a hand wich plays that great postflop HU with such stacks
01-23-2014 , 11:00 AM
This is a really bad shove spot, I don't think he can even fold 66 here. I doubt we even raise when we have a king here. Much better to float. I'd also shove pre because we should be super wide here.

BTW this isn't a donk bet, and we don't have the option to 3bet.
01-23-2014 , 11:04 AM
jam pre if he has been 3 betting a lot.
01-23-2014 , 11:12 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by fidstar-poker
jam pre if he has been 3 betting a lot.
What do we do if we don't jam pre though?
01-23-2014 , 01:10 PM
This is a weird spot. I'm not a fan of shoving pre, I think it's a bit spewy, but I think I would rather shove than take a flop bc of flops like this. I think I just fold, you really aren't deep enough to float the flop. Ik you are in position but stacks are shallow and floating the folding to a turn bet if not improved is just giving away money.

I think I prefer a shove pre or a fold pre. As played I am just folding.
01-23-2014 , 03:59 PM
shove pre, fold now
01-23-2014 , 04:13 PM
I did some pokerstove, if he 3bet alot then i think it's close to a 4bet jam, i also prefer shove pre otherwise fold.
01-23-2014 , 05:03 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Evenflow99
I did some pokerstove, if he 3bet alot then i think it's close to a 4bet jam, i also prefer shove pre otherwise fold.
yup, this is good.
01-25-2014 , 11:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by emitnulB
What do we do if we don't jam pre though?
fold
01-26-2014 , 12:49 AM
I'm shoving or folding if super tight 3b.

Flatting is probably the worst option.
01-26-2014 , 01:39 AM
we could limp sometimes depend on our image.
01-26-2014 , 06:13 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ssg
we could limp sometimes depend on our image.
You mean like l/c PF?
01-26-2014 , 06:47 AM
I jam hands like this preflop and 2x hands i want to 4bet shove. At is clearly a preflop shove for me here vs this aggro villain.

      
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