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05-30-2012 , 09:59 PM

3six9

newbie

Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 47

2.5 and 8 180's ...first blind level, min raise to 40 chips and opponent randomly shoves all in. Is it ok to to just get in with AK in that spot for 70 BB's?

05-31-2012 , 04:59 AM

mckrogh

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 6,495

Depends on the opponent and on ur own edge/skilllevel!

05-31-2012 , 05:00 AM

Chindo_Nights

adept

Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 994

Shrug, get it in, load another when he flips A7o and binks quads

05-31-2012 , 05:57 AM

MangoBall

adept

Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 809

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chindo_Nights

Shrug, get it in, load another when he flips A7o and binks quads

Yeah, + no point min raising.
Also if u use HUD and theyre tight as just fold it, cause you;re hoping for a flip

05-31-2012 , 06:30 AM

XMenCypher

old hand

Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 1,575

I will always call AK if the guy is a fish (and pushing 70BB after a min-raise means he is)

05-31-2012 , 09:08 AM

3six9

newbie

Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 47

No stats on the players, because it was the first level and I had no hands on them yet. It happened 3 times yesterday, I min raise and they just spaz out and shove it all in!

05-31-2012 , 02:13 PM

MangoBall

adept

Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 809

I personally 5x it at this level to get max value. People call with all kinds of randoms

05-31-2012 , 02:15 PM

DePokerGod

old hand

Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 1,311

Insta-call.

06-01-2012 , 12:08 PM

ineedacoach

newbie

Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 20

I make it 3x when blinds are low and I have AA-1010 or AK in early pos.

06-01-2012 , 02:28 PM

#10

mysticpig

centurion

Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 159

in a $2 and $8 insta vs 99%

$15+ depend on opponent, but probs for the lols.

06-01-2012 , 09:54 PM

#11

3six9

newbie

Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 47

The thing is though, it's so polarizing towards a medium pair like 77-jj that they don;t want to play the hand so they just ship it all. So do I want to risk a flip in level 1 when my edge doesn't really come into play until antes?

Sure the odd ****** might spaz out with a hand that we have dominated ..But mostly what I;ve seen people show up with are medium pairs.

06-01-2012 , 10:07 PM

#12

DNGRFLD

stranger

Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 10

I'm seeing this a ton recently, with anything from medium pairs to AJ, AQ, AK and even aces/kings on occasion. It's bizarre, especially the limp/get minraised/shove line with some people who literally only shove/fold!

06-03-2012 , 05:45 PM

#13

Fizhh

grinder

Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 462

I used to shove ONLY in the first hand of a 180 with premiums. People call super wide trying to double up early. That's for $2s tho.

06-04-2012 , 07:37 PM

#14

carDplayer11

journeyman

Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 315

Insta-call

06-04-2012 , 10:51 PM

#15

bombonanza

adept

Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 1,173

is it only me that will fold this? no point gambling so early on a 60/40

06-04-2012 , 10:57 PM

#16

Fizhh

grinder

Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 462

you're ahead most of the times. I snap call if its a $2, probly fold an $8 vs any reg

06-05-2012 , 03:56 AM

#17

Puppy2209

newbie

Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 30

I would fold it too, call only with history that proves he is fish (1 hand is enough)

06-05-2012 , 06:58 AM

#18

margsenjo

newbie

Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 24

i mean why would u even minraise in the early stages? makes no sense at all imo..

aganst spewtard AK is an easy call...they often have Ax type of hands which they just push (recently saw A2s, A7o, AJo, and AQ+AK is often nobrainer for such players)

just put it in and double up most of the times

06-05-2012 , 08:02 AM

#19

GeorgeSavickis

newbie

Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 36

Always call against random.

06-05-2012 , 08:31 AM

#20

3six9

newbie

Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 47

Quote:

Originally Posted by margsenjo

Why would you raise anymore than a min raise? Would you raise larger than min raise or 2.2 x deep in a tournament? It doesn't matter how much chips u have, everything is relative to the blinds. I small raise because want to keep the pot as small as possible post flop, beacuse your edge comes when the antes come into play. Losing chips at the start of one of these is super -EV.

And if you read the post correctly, I have no idea if he is a spewtard, therefore I have no idea if it's an easy call. I stated it was the FIRST level and I had no history on opponents.

06-06-2012 , 05:25 AM

#21

margsenjo

newbie

Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 24

surely it is -ev but u only play value hands. so if you raise 3-4x with AKo or something, you are almost always ahead of ppls callingranges which brings you into a super +EV spot, doesnt it?..

wrong approach imo

06-06-2012 , 09:27 AM

#22

3six9

newbie

Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 47

Quote:

Originally Posted by margsenjo

You think peoples range's will change in the first level if instead of me making it 40, I make it 60 instead? Not sure how much volume you have put in these games, but over 30k 180 man's ,I've come to the conclusion that especially early in these, if someone is going to call a 2x raise, then they are aren't going to fold that same hand for 20 extra chips because it's 3x.

06-06-2012 , 09:35 AM

#23

mugenjin

veteran

Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 2,385

Your goal isn't getting them to fold , it's to have them call for more chips while you have their range crushed preflop.

You're losing value on the long term and you're thinning the field slightly less often on the long term by minraising.

06-06-2012 , 09:38 AM

#24

Aliquantum

old hand

Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 1,691

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3six9

That's the point isn't it? If they don't change their calling range, then get more money in while you're ahead. Min raising level 1 with premium hands is almost certainly a mistake.

As for the OP, definitely call it off with no reads.

06-06-2012 , 09:39 AM

#25

streetwalkincheeta

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 5,132

3x pre, call against an unknown, fold against a reg.

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