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 180-man regular, ITM spot  180-man regular, ITM spot

01-18-2013 , 11:00 AM
Poker Stars, $4.10 Buy-in (400/800 blinds, 75 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #15545221

18 ITM. 13 players left, SB is very passive, running 24/4/0. BB is tight and also passive, folding way too tight with this stack. He already folded a couple of times when he was commited to the pot with ~50% stack in when was in the big blind. So I had some fold equity vs him and also wouldn't mind getting it in pre vs him.

MP: 26,697 (33.4 bb)
CO: 27,624 (34.5 bb)
Hero (BTN): 16,729 (20.9 bb)
SB: 35,655 (44.6 bb)
BB: 3,161 (4 bb)
UTG: 15,381 (19.2 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with J T
3 folds, Hero raises to 1,600, SB calls 1,200, BB folds

Flop: (4,450) T T 3 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

- My check back is standart imo vs this kind of opponent.

Turn: (4,450) 5 (2 players)
SB bets 800, Hero calls 800

- Would you raise the turn vs this kind of opp? And merits of doing it vs checking back?

River: (6,050) 4 (2 players)
SB bets 11,200, Hero ???

- Didn't expect that obv.
So at this point i think he has near 0% bluffs imo. His value range is like T8-T9(T7s?) that i beat, but I also lose to QT,KT,AT. He might have 44,55(33?) that rivered boat or A2 for a straight.


Wanna know your thinking process through this hand..

Last edited by eqfip; 01-18-2013 at 11:19 AM.
01-18-2013 , 01:51 PM
You didnt show that much strength so i dont think one would 2xpot jam otr with the nuts.
01-18-2013 , 03:21 PM
Looks fine so far. I can't imagine I'd ever fold river
01-18-2013 , 03:35 PM
here's my thing brother. on the flop you mentioned that the check on the flop is standard against an opponent like the one you were playing against. with that being said, when you check you dont really have a clue as to what he can have. his check is more standard than your check is (check to the raiser is very common). So because you checked the flop, im surprised you didn't raise the turn (especially with 2 hearts). when you get to the turn he coulda been betting with garbage thinking you didnt hit. honestly man i think without a c bet on the flop and without a raise on the turn you lost control of the pot and he put you up to a tough decision. im not sure what you did. if thats me i c bet the flop no doubt, and if he calls and he checks turn then i have the control as to whether i should bet again thinking he has a piece or i can check to trap him thinking he's gonna bet the river with air. moral of it all, you lost control of the pot and that's what really screwed you.
01-18-2013 , 04:10 PM
but if you get him to bluff and you make the call ont he river then well played, couldnt really have played it better than that
01-18-2013 , 07:45 PM
raise/bet somewhere!

By the river your hand is so underrepped that it's the easiest call.
01-20-2013 , 05:59 AM
TT3 flop is great to cbet in my opinion. It gives you a chance to 3 barrel and get all chips in otr. Also if villain is passive then betting against seems fine to me as he's gonna call you (esp if you see stat: fold to cbet that could really help me here). And I have experience that most players dont fold on paired flops so the line bet bet bet or bet/check/bet or raise is my play.
01-20-2013 , 08:43 AM
would the sb call w T7,T8,T9 when theres a good chance the bb might shove
01-26-2013 , 04:42 PM
bet flop
passiveness doesn`t mean he won`t station lot of stuff in his range on such dry board.
As played otf, raise turn.
It will allow you to rep missed FDs on blank rivers while in fact you`ll bet valuebetting trips.
01-26-2013 , 04:43 PM
bet flop
passiveness doesn`t mean he won`t station lot of stuff in his range on such dry board.
As played otf, raise turn.
It will allow you to rep missed FDs on blank rivers while in fact you`ll bet valuebetting trips.

Guess you often beat otr when 24/4 jams 2 psb.
01-26-2013 , 06:49 PM
Flop is OK, turn is absolute must raise when he donks just one BB. I think I can find a fold on the river against this kind of player given the overbet shove. I get that we're underrepped, but I doubt villain is thinking about that. He's just thinking he wants a call.
01-26-2013 , 06:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by b-balldude28
here's my thing brother. on the flop you mentioned that the check on the flop is standard against an opponent like the one you were playing against. with that being said, when you check you dont really have a clue as to what he can have. his check is more standard than your check is (check to the raiser is very common). So because you checked the flop, im surprised you didn't raise the turn (especially with 2 hearts). when you get to the turn he coulda been betting with garbage thinking you didnt hit. honestly man i think without a c bet on the flop and without a raise on the turn you lost control of the pot and he put you up to a tough decision. im not sure what you did. if thats me i c bet the flop no doubt, and if he calls and he checks turn then i have the control as to whether i should bet again thinking he has a piece or i can check to trap him thinking he's gonna bet the river with air. moral of it all, you lost control of the pot and that's what really screwed you.
Hey man, welcome to 2p2. Nice things. Etc.

That being said, this is filled with really bad advice/ analysis. He didn't get screwed because he "lost control of the pot". You don't necessarily want "control" of the pot when you flop trips in a heads up pot on a super dry board. He needs to raise the turn for value, in spite of him having hearts, not because he has hearts. If he got screwed on this hand, it's because he got coolered.
01-29-2013 , 07:37 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pghfan987
Hey man, welcome to 2p2. Nice things. Etc.

That being said, this is filled with really bad advice/ analysis. He didn't get screwed because he "lost control of the pot". You don't necessarily want "control" of the pot when you flop trips in a heads up pot on a super dry board. He needs to raise the turn for value, in spite of him having hearts, not because he has hearts. If he got screwed on this hand, it's because he got coolered.
I like this. Clear enough to me
01-29-2013 , 02:29 PM
Flop is fine either way. OTT you have to raise to build a pot even if it puts our hand faced up. V shows a small interest in his hand so I dont expect him to fold that often depending on your sizing. River is a sigh fold. From my experience most of the time we are beat here just keep ur thinking on level 1 and give him credit. Yes ou hand is underreped but I dont think villain can exploit that.
01-29-2013 , 03:31 PM
Checking the flop is OK. Nothing wrong with letting someone catch up.

You should raise the turn though. If he had checked to you, you would be betting the turn right? A 1BB bet =~ a check, so treat it like one. If you want a chance to stack him, you need to build the pot here.

As played, this is a bit of a nasty spot, but I still stick the chips in.
01-29-2013 , 05:30 PM
Agree with everything you said, I would have bet the turn if checked to me 4 sure, so I should have raised his turn lead as played..

thx for everyones comments, I appreciate that!

      
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