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03-01-2012 , 12:39 AM

streetwalkincheeta

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 5,132

Villains unknown, likely loose and passive

[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $32.13 Buy-in (75/150 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

MP3: 1,945 (13 bb)
CO: 2,702 (18 bb)
BTN: 2,550 (17 bb)
SB: 2,380 (15.9 bb)
BB: 2,915 (19.4 bb)
UTG+2: 4,275 (28.5 bb)
MP1: 2,197 (14.6 bb)
Hero (MP2): 3,160 (21.1 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A

UTG+2 calls 150, MP1 folds, Hero raises to 450, 2 folds, BTN calls 450, 2 folds, UTG+2 calls 300

Flop: (1,575) 4

(3 players)
UTG+2 checks,

03-01-2012 , 02:23 AM

OMGClayDol

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 11,065

I make it a tiny bit less pre personally but whatever. As played I'd prob just bet like 688-788 and shut down.

03-01-2012 , 07:22 AM

Regret$

burnt out

Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 12,124

I agree. I probably don't cbet any boards worse than this. But this board is too good not to cbet imo. Cbetting any more than about 700 is too much I think.

03-01-2012 , 12:07 PM

streetwalkincheeta

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 5,132

Ok, so we're bet/calling against one villain here, and bet/folding if both get involved, or..?

03-01-2012 , 05:02 PM

arlecchino76

old hand

Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 1,632

No, if both get involved u call.
Pot odds will be too good for you to not see the turn, when your hand can improve in so many ways, even if you r behind right now (and it is safe to presume that u r)
But, that's just imo

03-01-2012 , 05:46 PM

streetwalkincheeta

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 5,132

Quote:

Originally Posted by arlecchino76

You mean call if I bet, say, 675 OTF, BTN shoves, and BB shoves?

03-01-2012 , 06:05 PM

arlecchino76

old hand

Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 1,632

Not if they both shove, than u just get out of the way, but If u bet 675 and u get raised to lets say 1300 by BTN and BB calls, than u call too. Because than pot will be 4 850 , and u need only 625 more to see the turn.

03-01-2012 , 07:27 PM

Regret$

burnt out

Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 12,124

Its a mistake to fold versus nearly anyone. Vs pair or fd+ we are about 27% and need about 25%.

03-01-2012 , 07:47 PM

TomoDaK

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 5,837

I go 425 pre

Bet 655-688 or something and call BTN, prob the other guy too

03-01-2012 , 08:07 PM

#10

JayPez

old hand

Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 1,615

why so small pre peeps? i could see 600 or shipping. is it because its ak and not balanced? surely you want some fold equity pre with weaker hands here?

03-01-2012 , 08:30 PM

#11

mynameis69

adept

Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 993

if we raise it to 650,thats 4 bbs gone, (if we get 3bet brilliant well ship it obv) but if we cbet the flop to say 800 (bcos of bigger pre raise) thats another 5bb.

so on the flop and pre weve put 9bbs of our 21 remaining with ace high. probs better off keeping it less pre,and if we hit then value town to get our stack in ott or otr.

and raising 650,i dont think ul get many callers either. i only 4x it when at 10/20 . 15/30 stage

03-01-2012 , 09:40 PM

#12

JayPez

old hand

Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 1,615

misread hh, shove too much but still stand by 600

03-02-2012 , 02:37 AM

#13

Hermits_FTW

journeyman

Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 245

I think 600 is too 1 dimensional; we're looking to take it down pre -- not sure why?

Then when we hit an ace or a king on the board people are going to run for the hills, we want a few raggy aces in the pot imo and as OMG said, want to be 3 bet.

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