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35/180 FT AQ kinda want to 4bet shove 35/180 FT AQ kinda want to 4bet shove

09-13-2011 , 09:31 PM
MP1 is 25/20 over 45 hands SS: 6.409 $1 $37 1% $5.421

CO is 20/17 over 30 hands SS hiden


It looks like a light open followed by a light 3bet...I folded because I thought I needed more info.


Poker Stars $32.13+$2.87 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t1000/t2000 Blinds + t200 - 9 players
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CO: t63121 M = 13.15
BTN: t18388 M = 3.83
Hero (SB): t28341 M = 5.90
BB: t8134 M = 1.69
UTG: t17631 M = 3.67
UTG+1: t24953 M = 5.20
UTG+2: t35380 M = 7.37
MP1: t63154 M = 13.16
MP2: t10898 M = 2.27

Pre Flop: (t4800) Hero is SB with Q A
3 folds, MP1 raises to t4000, 1 fold, CO raises to t9175, 2 folds, Hero folds

Last edited by martin_malin; 09-13-2011 at 09:36 PM.
09-13-2011 , 09:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by martin_malin
I folded because I thought I needed more info.
And that, imo, would end the thread. Just not enough hands on opps for me.
09-13-2011 , 09:45 PM
I might be result oriented due to the fact that I've literally been blinded out in that game
09-13-2011 , 11:22 PM
Seems like a terrible spot for MP1 to be super light. BB has 4 big blinds to start the hand. You also have zero fold equity in this hand and there are multiple short stacks at the table about to get hit by the blinds.

Seems like a pretty clear ICM fold. Don't think they are ever wide enough here and with no fold equity I'm folding AQ.
09-13-2011 , 11:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by martin_malin
I might be result oriented due to the fact that I've literally been blinded out in that game
Martin question. Do you think that MP1 or CO has QQ,KK,AA,AK most of the time here in this situation? How often do you think MP1, and CO have 88,99,TT,JJ,AQ,AJ,KQ suited here? How often do you think at least 1 of the villains folds to a 4 bet shove by you? How hellishly,insanely strong would a 4 bet shove by you seem to the 2 villains?

My answers to those questions are:

I dont think villains have QQ,KK,AA,AK very often here. I think at least 1 of the villains, if not probably both has a range of 88,99,TT,JJ,AQ,AJ,AT,KQ suited most of the time in a situation like this

I think at least 1 of the villains folds to you.

I think a 4 bet shove by you would seem hellishly insanely strong to the villains, thus causing 1 of them to fold.

Thus I think your AQ fares quite well in this situation. If your hand holds up, you double up. and with 10 x BB stack and a low M, you really do need a double up here. and this might probably be a good chance to double up here.

So based on that, I think its semi thin +EV spot to 4 bet shove here.
09-14-2011 , 02:47 AM
Seems unlikely CO would be 3-balling light too often with all the short-stacks behind.
09-14-2011 , 09:14 AM
easy fold on a FT with these stacksizes. its prolly +cEV to get it in.
09-15-2011 , 07:02 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by furo
easy fold on a FT with these stacksizes. its prolly +cEV to get it in.
+1 to a fold here, it's close, definitely would be read dependent, and with that, there's not enough to go on.
09-15-2011 , 08:38 AM
If you fully follow ICM AKs should be a fold here btw, with pretty reasonable ranges for both of them.
Even if CO is light (which some regs are NEVER) he should be calling your shove almost always and yeah with some shorties etc you don't do too well. + Always a chance either of them could have KK+
Not saying I fold it in game though, hehe

Last edited by OMGClayDol; 09-15-2011 at 08:44 AM.
09-15-2011 , 09:35 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by martin_malin
I might be result oriented due to the fact that I've literally been blinded out in that game
Yea this seems to happen to me a lot when I try to play $EV

Still fold though
09-15-2011 , 03:00 PM
3 bettor can still be 'light' here even with the short stacks, but if he is its going to be with something that plays ok vs a shortstack jam.

Agree that its a fold but that its probably slightly +cEV to get it in. Still have 14bb, lots of shorter stacks and we have up to another 7 hands before blinds hit us again
09-15-2011 , 03:00 PM
yeah I think people dont 3bet too light on fts in 180s, I'd fold AQ too in this spot!

      
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