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02-07-2012 , 02:39 AM
    Poker Stars, $3.19 Buy-in (15/30 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #11810392

    Hero (BTN): 2,925 (97.5 bb)
    SB: 3,585 (119.5 bb)
    BB: 2,970 (99 bb)
    UTG+2: 2,900 (96.7 bb)
    MP1: 1,540 (51.3 bb)
    MP2: 2,900 (96.7 bb)
    MP3: 2,715 (90.5 bb)
    CO: 2,965 (98.8 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BTN with A 9
    3 folds, MP3 calls 30, CO folds, Hero raises to 90, SB calls 75, BB folds, MP3 calls 60

    Flop: (300) 8 8 A (3 players)
    SB checks, MP3 bets 300, Hero calls 300, SB folds

    Turn: (900) Q (2 players)
    MP3 bets 900, Hero calls 900

    River: (2,700) 3 (2 players)
    MP3 bets 1,425 and is all-in, Hero calls 1,425




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    1) This guy was like 28/10 (40 hands) and he bet pretty big every street. Would you just peel one and fold to his turn bet? I mean in general I am not sure if he can have often worse Ace and of course on the turn its probably split or he is better anyway.



      Poker Stars, $3.19 Buy-in (125/250 blinds, 25 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #11810412

      SB: 4,655 (18.6 bb)
      BB: 5,940 (23.8 bb)
      UTG+1: 7,090 (28.4 bb)
      UTG+2: 6,345 (25.4 bb)
      MP1: 5,620 (22.5 bb)
      MP2: 4,890 (19.6 bb)
      Hero (MP3): 5,955 (23.8 bb)
      CO: 4,290 (17.2 bb)
      BTN: 7,685 (30.7 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is MP3 with A 8
      4 folds, Hero raises to 500, 3 folds, BB calls 250

      Flop: (1,350) 3 A 7 (2 players)
      BB checks, Hero checks

      Turn: (1,350) 8 (2 players)
      BB bets 1,000, Hero raises to 2,000, BB calls 1,000

      River: (5,350) 6 (2 players)
      BB checks, Hero bets 1,500, BB raises to 3,415 and is all-in, Hero calls 1,915




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      2) I took different line as this guy looked pretty aggro and crazy from few hands. As played would you raise the turn more and shipped the river? On the other side, lets say you cbet the flop, are you stacking off on the flop if he shows aggression?



        Poker Stars, $3.19 Buy-in (125/250 blinds, 25 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #11810442

        Hero (MP3): 6,347 (25.4 bb)
        CO: 5,000 (20 bb)
        BTN: 5,455 (21.8 bb)
        SB: 3,080 (12.3 bb)
        BB: 5,538 (22.2 bb)
        UTG+1: 8,615 (34.5 bb)
        UTG+2: 6,250 (25 bb)
        MP1: 7,960 (31.8 bb)
        MP2: 5,215 (20.9 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 5 7
        4 folds, Hero raises to 500, CO calls 500, 2 folds, BB calls 250

        Flop: (1,850) 3 8 A (3 players)
        BB checks, Hero bets 635, CO calls 635, BB folds

        Turn: (3,120) T (2 players)
        Hero checks, CO bets 1,000, Hero folds




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        3) Guy is typical 43/05... Any thoughts on this one? I suppose cbet is OK, then I think there is not enough fold equity to ship the turn, maybe I am wrong. Second small barrel like 1100 and fold to shove/give up on river seem like spew to me. Not sure if give up is best play tho...



          Poker Stars, $3.19 Buy-in (300/600 blinds, 50 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players
          Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #11810472

          CO: 6,300 (10.5 bb)
          BTN: 14,773 (24.6 bb)
          SB: 3,940 (6.6 bb)
          BB: 9,040 (15.1 bb)
          UTG+2: 11,150 (18.6 bb)
          MP1: 19,300 (32.2 bb)
          MP2: 15,637 (26.1 bb)
          Hero (MP3): 20,880 (34.8 bb)

          Preflop: Hero is MP3 with K J
          3 folds, Hero raises to 1,200, CO folds, BTN calls 1,200, 2 folds

          Flop: (3,700) T 6 3 (2 players)
          Hero bets 1,350, BTN calls 1,350

          Turn: (6,400) 2 (2 players)
          Hero checks, BTN bets 2,400, Hero folds




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          4)
          Again no particular reads on this guy. Do you sometimes give up even cbeting such flop OOP against looser guy like that? I have noticed that some people are trying to float IP in these game probably often than I thought. Are you every 2barreling with little equity sometimes OOP? Not sure here, but there it seems like c/fold is little better than cbet/give up with no hit on turn.
          02-07-2012 , 03:11 AM
          might just limp pre, raising is fine (if you raise might go a tiny bit bigger)
          as played just fold on the flop imo
          DEF fold turn (this is just stationy dude) esp due to pot sizing
          river is w/e but u shouldnt ever get here

          seems ok but i prob just shove river with these stacks, might raise turn a tiny bit bigger so he feels more priced in on the river etc

          might just fold pre depending on villains behind but raising is fine
          i think if i bet flop i would bet a bit bigger, as played turn is fine

          flop a bit bigger, fine with turn and usually pre
          02-07-2012 , 03:29 AM
          Quote:
          Originally Posted by OMGClayDol

          i think if i bet flop i would bet a bit bigger, as played turn is fine

          flop a bit bigger, fine with turn and usually pre
          Thanks a lot. Watched your first series at DC, now I am going for second one.

          So in general you would cbet bigger than 1/3 of the pot? I mean like 2/5 should be enough? Cbeting almost 1/2 seems like big spew too me as I dont win pots enough to make some solid profit...although I am aware that very small cbets could encourage (bad) players to continue with weak hands when they usually wouldnt...

          So to me its anything between 1/3 - 2/5 ideally (of course situation, player and board dependant)?
          02-07-2012 , 12:22 PM
          1) EZ fold turn. Kinda close on the turn if flop is A88ssx instead of A88r.

          2) Just shove turn. You will definitely get value from some flushdraws and tons of worse Ax hand versus this type of opponent. As played I call river, but only because he is very aggro. Sizing seems good.

          3) C/f flop. There is no need to balance vs these guys.

          4) NH. Turn is a bad barrel card.
          02-07-2012 , 01:20 PM
          i like all.
          bit bigger on turn on hand 2 or just jam
          02-07-2012 , 03:47 PM
          HAND 1- just flat,only raise premium hands with limpers at this level of blinds. fold turn. hes definately not bluffing imo.

          hand 2- pre is ok,maybe 2.5x it if ur trying to steal the blinds from co. GOT TO cbet the flop.

          rasie bigger on turn,shove on turn if we are assuming you played the hand correct and continuation bet on the flop.

          river- doesnt come into play considering you shipped on the turn. basically you ****ed up this hand on the flop and turn


          hand 3- id prob fold pre,but as played bet bigger otf. fold turn


          hand 4- pre is fine,id prob double barrell turn but shut down after that
          02-08-2012 , 08:30 AM
          Quote:
          Originally Posted by Courier83
          Thanks a lot. Watched your first series at DC, now I am going for second one.

          So in general you would cbet bigger than 1/3 of the pot? I mean like 2/5 should be enough? Cbeting almost 1/2 seems like big spew too me as I dont win pots enough to make some solid profit...although I am aware that very small cbets could encourage (bad) players to continue with weak hands when they usually wouldnt...

          So to me its anything between 1/3 - 2/5 ideally (of course situation, player and board dependant)?
          It depends completely on a few things such as position/s, stack sizes, opponent/s (player types; fish, regs, and even more specific than that). As a general rule the deeper effective stacks are the bigger you should bet, the drier the board the less you should bet/the wetter the board the more you should bet.

          Balance sort of matters in the sense that you should be consistent with bet sizing in the same situation with both value and bluffs although vs. some/many opponents (mostly fish/unknowns/people you either won't run into again or won't understand your exploitable tendancies) it doesn't necessarily matter. What I am saying is if the flop is A22r you should bet small with both AA and 87s.

          But yeah usually early on and in most of those hands standard c-bet size would be at least 60%. Vs. some opponents who play pretty fit/fold you can kinda get away with betting smaller, similar to the sizes you made in those hands just because they will either call if they have it or fold if they don't almost regardless of size. But some villains will interpret small bets as weak and attack them by check raising or sometimes floating and more importantly (since this applies to more villains, on average) they will call lighter if you bet smaller on a lot of boards, like gutters, any pair, pocket pairs smaller than the board, ace high, etc.

                
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