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09-18-2011 , 10:39 AM

sosMsos

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whats your range here?
45% or 20%

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $200(BB) Replayer
SB ($10,037)
BB ($1,080)
UTG ($2,270)
UTG+1 ($3,035)
Hero ($1,805)
CO ($3,283)
BTN ($2,025)

Dealt to Hero 5

fold, fold, Hero raises to $1,780 (AI), CO raises to $3,258 (AI), fold, fold, fold

one postflop spot, how we play this since we are pretty deep, i played ai, think thats not really good play.

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NL Holdem $100(BB) Replayer
SB ($2,370)
Hero ($2,605)
UTG ($2,065)
UTG+1 ($1,235)
UTG+2 ($1,200)
CO ($1,605)
BTN ($2,420)

Dealt to Hero K

UTG calls $100, fold, fold, fold, fold, SB calls $50, Hero checks

FLOP ($300) Q

SB bets $300, Hero raises to $2,505 (AI),

09-18-2011 , 01:25 PM

mckrogh

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fold hand 1........

hand 2, u dont have any FE here after he bets the pot so strong. Just fold!

09-18-2011 , 02:59 PM

poporella

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mckrogh

fold hand 1........

Huh, really, whats your range?

09-18-2011 , 03:33 PM

JanF13

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i push first hand, it's suited, connected and we have under 10BB

09-18-2011 , 03:52 PM

mckrogh

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Quote:

Originally Posted by poporella

Huh, really, whats your range?

Yes! I assume theres no ante right?

09-18-2011 , 11:57 PM

SandmanNess

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fold hand one for sure

09-19-2011 , 01:07 AM

ftn_chris

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http://www.holdemresources.net/hr/sn...6=&s7=&s8=&s9=

21.9%, 22+ A2s+ A8o+ K9s+ KTo+ Q9s+ QJo J9s+ T9s 98s

09-19-2011 , 01:14 AM

acbarone

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mckrogh

hand 2, u dont have any FE here after he bets the pot so strong. Just fold!

Wat. Don't fold.

You do have fold equity and he could even call with worse hands (lower flush draws, 54o).

09-19-2011 , 02:23 AM

King Viktor

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first i would fold pre ante. with ante depends on opponent reads. hijack is tricky.

second there is definitely fold equity. could be as light as top pair weak kicker or worse flush/straight draw.

09-19-2011 , 03:32 AM

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mckrogh

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Quote:

Originally Posted by acbarone

Wat. Don't fold.

You do have fold equity and he could even call with worse hands (lower flush draws, 54o).

What do u think he is folding here? I mean, he potbets into 2 opponents... I dont see him going anywhere here... Could be wrong tho?

09-19-2011 , 03:37 AM

#11

sosMsos

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mckrogh

What do u think he is folding here? I mean, he potbets into 2 opponents... I dont see him going anywhere here... Could be wrong tho?

Ya you are right, with 23BB its really not that of a great spot to put your chips at risk.
With less than 15BB i would still shove, no matter if i had less foldev.

09-19-2011 , 03:43 AM

#12

sosMsos

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mckrogh

Yes! I assume theres no ante right?

naa its with ante. When i copy hands from Hm it doesnt copy the action bfore cards get dealt.

When i send that to nash it still gives me the unexploitalbe 25% that you can push from nearly any position
(except UTG1) with ante.
Why is nash soo much tighter than wizz ranges..And what do xyou prefer

(does nash calculates based on ICM, cause it is using the payout structure of a single table tournament as i see it)

Last edited by sosMsos; 09-19-2011 at 03:51 AM.

09-19-2011 , 03:46 AM

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mckrogh

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sosMsos

naa its with ante. When i copy hands from Hm it doesnt copy the action bfore cards get dealt.

Ante 25 right? That in mind its a lot closer tho!

09-19-2011 , 04:23 AM

#14

davethedave2

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Hand 1 is a fold. Borderline shove with antes.

Hand 2 - youve got like 40% soem Qx and he folds occasionally so I get it in.

09-19-2011 , 08:38 AM

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acbarone

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mckrogh

What do u think he is folding here? I mean, he potbets into 2 opponents... I dont see him going anywhere here... Could be wrong tho?

We don't know anything about his donk betting range, but the average player sucks and is definitely capable of bet/folding here with air, possibly a 3/4 or even a weak Queen. And if he does call with those hands we have a flush draw, an over (possibly two), and a backdoor straight draw.

09-19-2011 , 08:55 AM

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mckrogh

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Originally Posted by acbarone

Agree, just a few point more. Maybe im totally wrong...

Its not like im hating a shove, i would just save those "flips" to when it really matters. Its just that given the betsize and given the "stage of the game" (still early, we still have a healthy stack if folding) i think its "unnecesarry" (cant spell) to shove here.

Say same situation, but blinds are like 300/600, then theres more incitament to shove here, as it more important? Its now the game really kicks in!

Its not as important at 50/100, and even if we fold we have a fine stack?

Last edited by mckrogh; 09-19-2011 at 09:02 AM.

09-19-2011 , 09:32 AM

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acbarone

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I'm not 100% familiar with 45 man strat, but we're far from the money and I imagine we should be looking to accumulate chips wherever possible.

This is a great spot for a raise/shove because we can fold out better, get called by worse, and even if we are called we have decent equity against the hands that currently beat us (Qx).

I definitely am not trying to 'survive' with this stack, and even if our stack is currently fine it's not big enough to pass up these types of edges. If you'd get it in here with 1300 chips, you should probably do it with 2300.

09-19-2011 , 09:48 AM

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mckrogh

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Well, i see more reason for shoving looking at it again, we have 1 over, FD and runner runner str8draw, but could u explain why we theres no diff. between doing it with a 1300 and 2300 stack?

09-19-2011 , 05:29 PM

#19

acbarone

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The 'we have a good stack' argument is not a good one to pass up decent edges and it's silly to me considering our stack is nowhere near the one we'll need to make a deep run.

Now if we were 9 handed at the final table and both us and the SB were #1/#2 in chips, I might consider a different course of action because my equity in the tournament is so high.

09-19-2011 , 05:30 PM

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Ty sir

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