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10-15-2011 , 05:48 PM
villain is a reg, does a call makes any sense?

PokerStars NLHE Tournament, ($3.19+$0.31), t400/t800/t50 blinds, 8 handed, 31%/21.5%/16.5%/12.5%/9%/6%/3.5% payouts
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{Tournament|PokerStars|3.19|0.31|400|800|50|45-Man}
UTG: t5590 6.6 BBs{Player|UTG|5590|Fold|50}
UTG+1: t8680 10 BBs{Player|UTG+1|8680|Fold|50}
UTG+2: t7840 9.2 BBs{Player|UTG+2|7840|Push|7840|Overridden|22}
UTG+3: t4410 5.2 BBs{Player|UTG+3|4410|Fold|50}
CO: t12871 15 BBs{Player|CO|12871|Fold|50}
Hero: t14972 18 BBs{Player|Hero|14972|As|Kh}
SB: t5782 6.8 BBs{Player|SB|5782|Fold|50}
BB: t7355 8.7 BBs{Player|BB|7355|Fold|50}

Preflop: Hero is BTN with AK
2 folds, UTG+2 pushes t7840 (10.7+), 2 folds, Hero?
10-15-2011 , 06:28 PM
JJ+, AK Sounds good
10-15-2011 , 06:54 PM
easy call
10-15-2011 , 06:59 PM
Probably wider because you have him covered significantly/will still be in with an "ok" stack if you call and lose.
10-16-2011 , 04:53 AM
But what is a reg there really pushing, i am def not shipping for a flip here?

Only ATs/AJs or KQs that we dominate..if he has a clue of FT ranges, though most regs at these levels dont, still are learning and experimenting, that would justify a call.


Imo its pretty close to JJ+ here!

I wouldnt be calling this if i knew he had exactly this range:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 48.794% 41.50% 07.30% 562738932 98972088.00 { 88+, ATs+, KQs, AQo+ }
Hand 1: 51.206% 43.91% 07.30% 595461660 98972088.00 { AKo }


that to me looks better:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 33.627% 32.68% 00.94% 946944876 27303084.00 { 88+, ATs+, KQs, AQo+ }
Hand 1: 66.373% 65.43% 00.94% 1895667324 27303084.00 { JJ+ }
10-16-2011 , 06:41 AM
Sngwiz doesnt like it very much vs a 8-10% range which is reasonable. You dont have to make this call because it is good for you if the bubble keeps alive and you can abuse it. You dont have to make slightly -ev calls in your position. If you lose the allin you cant abuse the bubble anymore.
10-16-2011 , 06:44 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cpt.Hero
Sngwiz doesnt like it very much vs a 8-10% range which is reasonable. You dont have to make this call because it is good for you if the bubble keeps alive and you can abuse it. You dont have to make slightly -ev calls in your position. If you lose the allin you cant abuse the bubble anymore.
Ya that makes alot of sense , thkx
10-17-2011 , 03:34 PM
If guys are recommending folding AK to a less than 10 bb shove at a FT I need to start playing 45 mans...Seems like ez call.
10-17-2011 , 03:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by collincapone
If guys are recommending folding AK to a less than 10 bb shove at a FT I need to start playing 45 mans...Seems like ez call.
wouldnt recommend if you analyze the situation like this.
10-17-2011 , 04:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by poporella
wouldnt recommend if you analyze the situation like this.
You got a big stack and are up against a reg (and regs almost always are shoving wider than most) and you have AK. Insta call.
10-17-2011 , 05:22 PM
Absolute Handstrength is not equal to relative Handstrength. All this "You have Ak get it in" talk is just nonsense. The Mainskill in Sngs is to identify the situations, where you have to fold Hands that have a very good "absolute" Handstrength and situations where you can shove Hands that have very bad "absolute" Handstrength. I am not saying that AK in this Situation is a clear fold, but its slightly -ev and we want to abuse the bubble in future Hands what we can not do when we call here.
10-18-2011 , 04:24 AM
besides all the talk going on, is someone really folding here ingame when multitabling?
I can see the arguments and it might be closer than most of us think, but cmon you have 25 tables up, see a guy with reg note shipping 9bb and find the fold button on the software? I don't know...
10-18-2011 , 04:34 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ONLYRAISEAA
besides all the talk going on, is someone really folding here ingame when multitabling?
I can see the arguments and it might be closer than most of us think, but cmon you have 25 tables up, see a guy with reg note shipping 9bb and find the fold button on the software? I don't know...
ya i fold more to a reg than to a random at this stake!
10-18-2011 , 04:55 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by poporella
ya i fold more to a reg than to a random at this stake!
I do opposite! But mostly im calling anymore!
10-18-2011 , 05:43 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mckrogh
I do opposite! But mostly im calling anymore!
why, rebgs should know their ranges better than randoms?!
10-18-2011 , 05:51 AM
Are you saying a reg will be wider or tighter..?
10-18-2011 , 06:22 AM
Regs are wider than randoms here imo.
10-18-2011 , 06:28 AM
dont think a reg pushes more than 9% when they understand icm at this stake...but the chances are much higher that random pushes his suited aces and A8o and small pairs than a reg.

from the $6 level on higher, i would agree that regs could open up their ranges here in certain spots, with a number of other regs behind.


PS: regs generally push too tight at the $3.5 level, and when they adjust, become better and move up higher, they generally push too wide in the $6 + games lolol

Last edited by poporella; 10-18-2011 at 06:40 AM.
10-18-2011 , 06:47 AM
When u say REG in OP I assume its a good player? If thats not the case i recommend u write something like TIGHT/BAD REG or nitty player....

Imo good REGS are wider than randoms here. And since u asked what regs shoved here, i assume it was regs knowing what they whey doing.

Quote:

PS: regs generally push too tight at the $3.5 level, and when they adjust, become better and move up higher, they generally push too wide in the $6 + games lolol
Push to wide? Its that something u think or something u noticed? Can u post examples?
10-18-2011 , 07:44 AM
a good reg in the $3 games doesnt push wider than 9% in that spot..you read that that right.

and regarding the ps: its related to unexperienced regs in the $6+ games that finally learned to crush the $3 games but lack in experience regarding higher levels.
10-18-2011 , 08:08 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by poporella
a good reg in the $3 games doesnt push wider than 9% in that spot..you read that that right.
Ok, if u say so. Then I have nothing more to add
10-18-2011 , 08:25 AM
thought about it and what I think is that reg shoves a lot wider from MP/LP but might fold marginal stuff like QJo and all that close stuff where a fish just thinks "oh two face cards, let's flip"

and oh it's the bubble, so that actually should make this a tighter range that I thought.
10-18-2011 , 08:59 AM
9% seems about right btw, would add 55-77 tho as there is no much shorter stack than him on the table. Even against 9% you have 57% tho
10-18-2011 , 09:35 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ONLYRAISEAA
and oh it's the bubble, so that actually should make this a tighter range that I thought.
thats what the thread isall about!
10-18-2011 , 12:05 PM
Yeah it's the bubble so the good reg is taking down pots and building a stack while the nits are folding AK to min cash.

      
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