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01-06-2015 , 07:15 PM
Hi,

what's the best Line here?
Are there any ICM considerations to make?

The SB ist playing 15/15 over 86 Hands.

    Poker Stars, $2.28 Buy-in (2,500/5,000 blinds, 500 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 3 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

    SB: 127,260 (25.5 bb)
    Hero (BB): 94,522 (18.9 bb)
    BTN: 48,218 (9.6 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with J Q
    BTN folds, SB raises to 10,000, Hero calls 5,000

    Flop: (21,500) J 2 8 (2 players)
    SB bets 8,600, Hero calls 8,600

    Turn: (38,700) Q (2 players)
    SB bets 15,000, Hero ???

    01-06-2015 , 08:53 PM
    Hi,

    I think his range here is all KK+, 1 combo of QQ, JJ, A8ss, 2 combos of QJs, AKss, AJsc, AJsh, AJsd. We have 57% against it, so I think you should shove turn.

    If we add ATss and A9ss, we still have 53%.

    His range could be wider. But something tells me he had KK+.
    01-07-2015 , 04:53 AM
    his range is wider than above.. He obv have some bluffs in his range.

    You love the turn, but at the same time there are many rivers you dont want to see.
    I shove 10/10 times in this spot.
    01-07-2015 , 09:13 AM
    What do people think about raising flop here? Seems like we are giving a very cheap turn card on a draw-heavy board. As played shove turn, even though a lot of his flop semi-bluffs just got there.

    The 15% is over 86 hands that aren't all blind vs blind - presumably they are mostly from this final table - what was his stack size like for most of the final table while you were collecting the sample? If a mid-stack he should have played tighter than he now needs to. 15/15 seems like he understands ICM (so he was jamming very much wider than he was calling). Given his ICM advantage he could be min-raising/c-betting close to ATC on this board if a lot of people are folding pre or playing fit-or-fold against the chip leader in the meta game of these tournaments at this level.

    Depends on the meta between you and him - have you been getting any walks at all in how many hands where he has been SB to you BB and has he mostly been minraising or doing something else? But I would be tempted to jam preflop - particularly if he hasn't seen you do it in any way light.

    Last edited by LektorAJ; 01-07-2015 at 09:21 AM.
    01-07-2015 , 11:18 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by LektorAJ
    What do people think about raising flop here?
    I think you should not raise the flop.
    He doesn't have a flush draw that often, I doubt he has T9o or that he'd give action with something like QTo. So there aren't many straight draw combos to protect against.
    Which means that it would fold out worse and he'd continue with better.
    01-07-2015 , 01:00 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by thundrstrike
    his range is wider than above.. He obv have some bluffs in his range.

    You love the turn, but at the same time there are many rivers you dont want to see.
    I shove 10/10 times in this spot.
    +1 same with me too
    01-07-2015 , 08:00 PM
    Ok jamming the turn seems the best play.

    Quote:
    Depends on the meta between you and him - have you been getting any walks at all in how many hands where he has been SB to you BB and has he mostly been minraising or doing something else? But I would be tempted to jam preflop - particularly if he hasn't seen you do it in any way light.
    With the number of hands i think he is a normal reg at this level. So with the given stacksizes he must be raising very light.

    Is the EV of jamming preflop so much worse than calling and playing fit or fold?
    01-08-2015 , 08:19 AM
    What range are we shipping pre? Polarized range and flat medium hands like these?

    If SB is aggro does this range change much? If he's more nitty do we still ship a polarized range?

          
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