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01-18-2012 , 04:21 PM
Villain is 45/0 over 22 hands. I dont know if this is a nice fold from my place. My stack really gets smaller after this decision. I hate the turn card:




    Poker Stars, $2.28 Buy-in (25/50 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #11655192

    MP1: 1,425 (28.5 bb)
    MP2: 1,525 (30.5 bb)
    MP3: 1,425 (28.5 bb)
    CO: 1,309 (26.2 bb)
    BTN: 1,510 (30.2 bb)
    Hero (SB): 1,300 (26 bb)
    BB: 2,381 (47.6 bb)
    UTG+2: 1,455 (29.1 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with A K
    2 folds, MP2 calls 50, 3 folds, Hero raises to 150, BB calls 100, MP2 calls 100

    Flop: (450) 2 A Q (3 players)
    Hero bets 337, BB folds, MP2 calls 337

    Turn: (1,124) J (2 players)
    Hero checks, MP2 bets 150, Hero calls 150

    River: (1,424) J (2 players)
    Hero checks, MP2 bets 888 and is all-in, Hero folds

    Spoiler:
    Results: 1,424 pot
    Final Board: 2 A Q J J
    MP2 mucked and won 1,424 (787 net)
    Hero mucked A K and lost (-637 net)



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    By the way, my preflop raise should be 200 chips but i think the spot would be the same. Whats your thoughts here?
    01-18-2012 , 04:42 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by tnathena
    By the way, my preflop raise should be 200 chips
    +1

    I would bet less on the flop. As played you have less than the size of the pot remaining in your chip stack on the turn so I would just find a way to get the rest of your chips in.
    01-18-2012 , 07:51 PM
    I think a reasonable fold here, you were in all kinds of trouble when the Turn came the River just added to the possibilities you were crushed, think it was a good fold, could have even small raised the Turn to see the outcome - if he raises you fold and if he folds you win, plus not many people raise the turn unless they have a monster, but to 3bet (he would probably shove with anything decent here too) the Turn gives even more believability your hand is smashed.

    my solution -- personal opinion remember

    Turn Villain bets 150 Hero raises 450 and see action from here.
    01-18-2012 , 08:31 PM
    The river is actually good for our range cause it takes out a lot of his AJ/QJ combos.
    01-18-2012 , 08:54 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by killer_kill
    The river is actually good for our range cause it takes out a lot of his AJ/QJ combos.
    There are still flush and str8 draws got their on the turn and the J10 chase got there on the river too, you would call here and why?
    01-18-2012 , 09:02 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Fielding89
    There are still flush and str8 draws got their on the turn and the J10 chase got there on the river too, you would call here and why?
    I never said I'd call or fold. I said the river isn't a bad card though.
    01-18-2012 , 09:03 PM
    What would you do... I am intrigued and why... sorry just picking your brains mate.
    01-18-2012 , 09:34 PM
    Thank you for your replies. I still havent found a good line for this hand. I mean, villain is 45/0. Even if the sample size is small i have the feeling he can have a wide range of hands. On the flop i give him a range of:

    {22 , KdJd , QKo , AKs/o , AQs/o , AJs/o , ATs/o , 6d7d, 7d8d, 8d9d , 9dTd , TdJd}

    I have excluded from QKo combinations all the Qd, from AKs/o,AQs/o,AJs/o,ATs/o all the Ad combinations.

    So, on the flop i have 59.465% against villains range.

    On the turn i have 40.714% against villains range.

    And on the river i believe nothing changes, as i have 39.394% against villain range.

    So i have two more thoughts about the hand. What do you think of the range i give to the villain? Given that range or a tighter one whats the best line?
    01-18-2012 , 09:39 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by killer_kill
    I never said I'd call or fold. I said the river isn't a bad card though.
    Thanks for the reply. As i said on my initial post i hate the turn card. The J of diamonds. The J of clubs on the river i believe doesnt change the action a lot. I would like your thoughts as i havent found the best line yet and i believe its an interesting hand.
    01-18-2012 , 09:52 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by tnathena
    Thank you for your replies. I still havent found a good line for this hand. I mean, villain is 45/0. Even if the sample size is small i have the feeling he can have a wide range of hands. On the flop i give him a range of:

    {22 , KdJd , QKo , AKs/o , AQs/o , AJs/o , ATs/o , 6d7d, 7d8d, 8d9d , 9dTd , TdJd}

    I have excluded from QKo combinations all the Qd, from AKs/o,AQs/o,AJs/o,ATs/o all the Ad combinations.

    So, on the flop i have 59.465% against villains range.

    On the turn i have 40.714% against villains range.

    And on the river i believe nothing changes, as i have 39.394% against villain range.

    So i have two more thoughts about the hand. What do you think of the range i give to the villain? Given that range or a tighter one whats the best line?


    And of course we can tighten villains range on the turn and on the river to get better results, but i would like to hear your thoughts about the initial range on the flop..A good range to start with, and then tighten the turn and the river and finally find the best line for this hand. Thanks
    01-18-2012 , 10:21 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by tnathena
    Thanks for the reply. As i said on my initial post i hate the turn card. The J of diamonds. The J of clubs on the river i believe doesnt change the action a lot. I would like your thoughts as i havent found the best line yet and i believe its an interesting hand.
    The turn Jd is a bad card, but the river Jc is a good card due to combo removal. I'd just jam the turn. We have 800 into 1100~ and TP/TK with a gutshot ott vs a passive donk who's peeling the flop hella wide.
    01-19-2012 , 01:17 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by tnathena
    And of course we can tighten villains range on the turn and on the river to get better results, but i would like to hear your thoughts about the initial range on the flop..A good range to start with, and then tighten the turn and the river and finally find the best line for this hand. Thanks
    Any more thoughts on this?
    01-20-2012 , 02:53 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by tnathena
    Any more thoughts on this?
    Honestly, I look at it like we have AK with 25 bb's and tp+gs if he has 2pr. I'd just jam turn and know he's calling with plenty of Ax hands/draws.
    01-20-2012 , 07:57 AM
    bet a bit more PF sth like 188
    flop bet seems good stick it in ott it is a turbo

          
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