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11-09-2013 , 11:42 AM

suprguard

grinder

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Poker Stars, $2.28 Buy-in (1,000/2,000 blinds, 200 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #20582161

MP1: 33,985 (17 bb)
Hero (): 22,272 (11.1 bb)
HJ: 29,039 (14.5 bb)
CO: 55,646 (27.8 bb)
BTN: 36,832 (18.4 bb)
SB: 16,914 (8.5 bb)
BB: 14,120 (7.1 bb)
UTG+1: 45,212 (22.6 bb)
UTG+2: 15,980 (8 bb)

Preflop: Hero is with J

3 folds

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Final table and every player behind me is a winning reg. Shove or not? I have a solid image here and played pretty tight 17/17.

11-09-2013 , 12:12 PM

L0DDENThinks

old hand

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Folding.

11-09-2013 , 12:26 PM

none888

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Im new to this format, but this is nash shove, why fold?

11-09-2013 , 02:08 PM

fidstar-poker

I'm gonna need a hacksaw

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folding, might think about it if it was suited.

11-09-2013 , 02:16 PM

none888

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So you think avg player will call our jam lighter than nash so its becoms -ev jam?

11-09-2013 , 03:20 PM

ladyboys

journeyman

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+cev , -$ev

11-09-2013 , 03:32 PM

none888

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ladyboys

+cev , -$ev

I did ICM calcs for this hand and it was +$ev nash shove

11-09-2013 , 06:50 PM

Syker12

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If your folding this hand your doing it wrong.

11-10-2013 , 06:30 AM

scroosko

adept

Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 1,176

i find it hard to believe every player behind is winning reg at a $2 ft. i havent even see that in $15s. if this is the case then maybe its time for me to get a job

11-11-2013 , 09:45 AM

#10

suprguard

grinder

Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 603

Quote:

Originally Posted by scroosko

i find it hard to believe every player behind is winning reg at a $2 ft. i havent even see that in $15s. if this is the case then maybe its time for me to get a job

;-) Actually it shocked me too. Hardly see it in the 2.50s. This table was an exception. Anyways did the math for this hand and it's a +$EV shove. At the very bottom tho. In game I folded, might be a mistake I guess.

11-11-2013 , 12:45 PM

#11

dguia

adept

Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 789

Meh fold this one, seems close

11-11-2013 , 12:49 PM

#12

arturiuks

enthusiast

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Dont know why everyone suggesting to fold, but I'm shoving it without headache

11-12-2013 , 02:06 AM

#13

w4ts

centurion

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i'm also folding this one

11-12-2013 , 06:43 PM

#14

BennySkeletor

enthusiast

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I'm shoving and double fist pumping when I suck out on A 10

11-14-2013 , 04:59 AM

#15

chav

grinder

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Quote:

Originally Posted by scroosko

i find it hard to believe every player behind is winning reg at a $2 ft. i havent even see that in $15s. if this is the case then maybe its time for me to get a job

If anything this is an argument for shoving if the spot is that close since you dont have to worry about sacrificing a skill edge vs the table.

11-14-2013 , 05:08 AM

#16

mckrogh

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lol@folding

11-14-2013 , 05:09 AM

#17

mckrogh

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BennySkeletor

I'm shoving and double fist pumping when I suck out on A 10

wow, sick suckout....

Spoiler:

Yeah sick suckout dude.

11-14-2013 , 07:40 AM

#18

suprguard

grinder

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mckrogh

lol@folding

Can you please give an argument for that. You make it seems like it's not even the bottom of your range here. You shove Q9o also and hands like K7o?

I did the cEV and $EV calculations and both QJo is at the bottom of your range..

11-17-2013 , 10:07 PM

#19

bikram

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bottom of range, but a shove.

11-17-2013 , 11:03 PM

#20

ladyboys

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Wait for a better spot, taking the small ev shove isnt the best option against a table full of fish

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11-18-2013 , 04:01 PM

#21

Tank3betFold

newbie

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Shoving 11 bigs from MP with QJ off is a tad spewy no?

11-20-2013 , 02:56 PM

#22

Jaggleboney

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I'd rather fold and call off in bb or Iso in sb with with a5p pls. ty.

11-20-2013 , 06:53 PM

#23

YoungKhalifa

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Quote:

Originally Posted by none888

So you think avg player will call our jam lighter than nash so its becoms -ev jam?

if its a nash shove it doesnt matter how wide or loose ur opponents will call, if its a nash shove the shove will always be better than folding, all ur opponents can do against it is call nash optimally

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tank3betFold

Shoving 11 bigs from MP with QJ off is a tad spewy no?

the antes make a huge difference