[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $2.28 Buy-in (2,500/5,000 blinds, 500 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 4 Players
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Hero (SB): 150,661 (30.1 bb)
BB: 55,299 (11.1 bb)
CO: 30,808 (6.2 bb)
BTN: 33,232 (6.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A 3
CO folds, BTN raises to 32,732 and is all-in

-Villian has walked us unknown amount of times.
-All players are fish.

close one vs a nit... prolly folding.

pls post questions in the MTTSNG forum from now on

He gets 9k more if everyone folds so i dont think he is waiting good hand here? Idk might call

What do you mean unknown amount of times? If you mean quite a lot, but you don't know exactly how many, then yeah it's probably close like furo said

This is a clear fold in my book. The advantage you gain from calling and winning isn't big enough to justify the call. I think this has less to do with villain's range and more to do with the current ICM situation. You are better off using those chips you save to put relentless pressure on everyone in future hands and preserve the current bubble factors.

Whilst I agree it will affect our stack size and just how aggro we can be, a little, did you misread stacks or something? We will still have 120k which is a pretty significant chip lead on the other players if we lose, not to mention the fact that we will obviously win the hand a fair amount too vs. even a tighter players range.

why are you so anxious to get the tourney over with? random call ranges are atrociously tight in situations like this. just siege them and watch them have a fold contest until you have all the chips. no need for assured showdowns. let them bleed away their equity in preflop folds.

op says "all players are fish". i'm not even sure A3o is ahead of average fish range here.

Err what lol, it's not like I implied in anyway that I want to call to get it over and done with or whatever. Yeah we can own with our stack size vs. random tight guys but it's not like we should pass up a +EV call assuming it is one.. I agreed it's close but don't really like your reasoning (unless you specifically mean it as a "bonus" to making a close fold, which doesn't seem to be the case). If you are saying we are behind the average fish range here and we have a good stack/position -> fold I completely agree but I may have misinterpreted "The advantage you gain from calling and winning isn't big enough to justify the call." a little. Anyway I'm pretty sure we have a mutual understanding for the most part

Easy call...BTN with 6BB will shove wide...very wide and we have the chips to risk 6BB.

i think hero should pass it up for sure, even if it's slightly +EV (which it probably isn't)

um wat

yes, this

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this is not a call...fold plz

if its +EV its a call for ~1/5th of your stack.

nope

because?

because a single hand's EV calculation doesn't necessarily designate whether that play is optimal...

because our most common method of EV calculation relies on an assumption that does not exist in this scenario (that all involved players are of equal skill)...

i'm folding here because i think folding makes more money than calling. i genuinely think that we are behind his range to begin with. but even if it was a neutral or slightly +EV call, i still fold to preserve the current bubble factors because i think we can make up even more in EV with preflop aggression in subsequent hands because we have massive fold equity vs. everyone in this stack arrangement. if villain doubles through us, we can't maintain that level of aggression anymore and we lose profitable preflop opportunities that would be open to us had we folded to begin with.

Vs a villain immediately to our right who has been giving us walks this is a snap fold for me and I don't feel remotely bad about it.


Aslo, this is a pretty good time to keep nitty small stacks in the game as it means we can exert pressure on the 2nd biggest stack immediately to our left, which is probably worth more in EV terms than calling this shove by a fairly considerable margin.

Agree with all of this