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Originally Posted by Cpt.Hero
So what do you do then with Hands like AK,AQo,AJs or 88-TT if you are on a table where many players coldcall your raise? And what do you do with these Hands except AK if someone reshoves? You pretty much have to call then when they reshove and you have a coinflip a ton where Players would have folded if you shove. In my opinion its perfectly acceptable to shove 15bbs postante and i know many good regs that do it. Its also much easier if you mutitable.
I raise only from late Position with my monsters and with hands that are too weak to shove for balance. The "middle" Hands i just shove.
You can of course try to balance a Range where you raise all of your Hands and then decide what Hands you call or fold depending on the the players behind etc., but this Method is very difficult to play and not good for mass multitabling and you can make big mistakes if you have not big Samplesizes on the other players.
I evalute the hand based on the players. If someone that's a reg that knows me, I know they're probably going to be stealing light. So I adjust accordingly. Randoms I play on a standard range. If I open 88 under the gun for 13 effective bb (like 16 bbs) and someone like DontBluffMyJ shoves over I can probably call because he normally resteals light (situation dependent) . If it's a random that I've never seen I probably fold. It depends on what I think my perceived image is at the table is as well. It also is great when I raise a hand like 1010 instead of open shoving and I get a shove and a reshove, because I probably just saved myself from getting busted out. If you're saying I'm going to create flatters, well thats a GOOD thing. If I'm raising AQ instead of shoving it and I'm getting players to flat with worse like KJ suited (that folds to a shove) I'm gaining equity over the long run. If there are enough regs at the table I will shove my entire range under 15bbs for balance, but with fish there is too much equity to gain when they flat with marginal holdings. Just because it's not as easy doesn't mean it doesn't have merit. I used to be a shovebot, and then I met someone who is much better than me, that plays TWICE as many games as I do at a time, and has EXCELLENT post flop skills and he crushes. So I decided to stop learning a memory game and start learning to actually
play poker. Do I get in sticky spots sometimes? Sure. Do I make mistakes and butcher hands sometimes where I could have just shoved and saved myself the trouble? Sure.
I'm still learning to play this way. But in the end I will be better for it. Every month the games get harder and you have to find an edge wherever you can find it, and if everyone's playing the same way, I will continue to win because I will find equity that other players are ignoring. And yes, you can do this multitabling. But you have to step out of the box and get used to making more decisions faster. When I'm confidant in my abilities and get a sample size big enough to show it, then I'll know exactly how much better I am. But that time hasn't come yet, and till it does, I'll keep working.
And I know that some people making good money per hour just shoving or folding (more than me atm), and that's great for them. They could make more if they tried, but some people won't change what they're doing to experiment with something that would make them better because they have the "if it's not broken, don't fix it" mentality. And that's fine and you won't see me say to someone that chose to shove that it's "not correct". It could just be more profitable not to.